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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeApr 22nd, 2018 7:55pm (Apr 22nd 2018) edited
     
    Kitten has been ill again. I suspected there was something wrong with her teeth, she wouldn't eat and then refused to come in the house. Catching her to go to the vet was dreadful. It took me and hubby half an hour chasing her round the living room to get her in the carrier and I have substantial wounds to show for it.

    The vet has removed 3 teeth. One was very red and inflamed, and 2 premolars had what she called dental resorption. I'd never heard of it before, but apparently in cats they can reabsorb their teeth. They get broken down and lesions form-it's very painful too. A blood test showed elevated white blood cells indicating an infection, probably from the first tooth. They gave her antibiotics, anti-inflammatories and painkillers. My purse is significantly lighter, but hopefully she'll start to feel better soon.
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeApr 22nd, 2018 8:18pm (Apr 22nd 2018)
     
    oh poor little kitten what a relief it must be for her to have those teeth removed. I hope your wounds soon heal Kate, I remember when we got Sootz teeth done it was well into the hundreds but it is worth it to see them well and happy again xxxxxx
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeApr 23rd, 2018 4:39pm (Apr 23rd 2018)
     
    Bless her, poor little thing. But it'll be a total relief for her now. You're an excellent mummy! :heart:
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeApr 25th, 2018 3:08am (Apr 25th 2018)
     
    Kate, I hope little Kitten will be feeling better soon and your wounds heal up fast too. I get ripped up every day when I try to do anything for Dash..he's a little devil. :face-smile:
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeApr 26th, 2018 2:54am (Apr 26th 2018)
     
    Yes, such good care you take of your kitties. I hope she is 100% soon.

    Do any of you know how to take care of cat's and dog's teeth? They are always the worst thing about my animal's condition as they age. And now that I have some kittens coming to live with me - I want to try and head tooth problems off at the start.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeApr 26th, 2018 8:48pm (Apr 26th 2018)
     
    You can get chews for dogs' teeth, I know, but cats....no idea, sorry. Just a healthy diet, i suppose.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeApr 26th, 2018 10:44pm (Apr 26th 2018) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Posted By: DianeonWhidbeyYes, such good care you take of your kitties. I hope she is 100% soon.

    Do any of you know how to take care of cat's and dog's teeth? They are always the worst thing about my animal's condition as they age. And now that I have some kittens coming to live with me - I want to try and head tooth problems off at the start.


    Raw food is phenomenal at keeping teeth clean. At 8 years old (as of next month) Kasper's teeth are in brilliant condition thanks to fortnightly raw food, from mice to rabbits, quail, chicken etc. You can also try frozen apples or carrots if the meat doesn't sit well haha.

    Also the product Plaque Off is really really effective, in our experience. It's seaweed extract and you just sprinkle it on their food.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeApr 27th, 2018 3:14am (Apr 27th 2018)
     
    Thanks, Red! That is very helpful. Really awesome to know.
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeApr 28th, 2018 6:17pm (Apr 28th 2018)
     
    How is she doing now Kate? I hope all is well xx
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeApr 30th, 2018 9:23pm (Apr 30th 2018)
     
    Why does this thread have my name?! It should have been titled Kitten! Can I change it???

    She's doing better but has got a cold now - assumed she picked it up at the vets. Not quite back to herself socially with us, but slowly learning to trust us again.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeApr 30th, 2018 10:12pm (Apr 30th 2018)
     
    Is she eating better?

    You can trust them Kitten! You are very loved.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 1st, 2018 3:25pm (May 1st 2018)
     
    Posted By: KatebWhy does this thread have my name?! It should have been titled Kitten!

    I expect you can edit it, Kate...I was wondering why it had your name on it! Glad Kitten is coming round a bit. :heart:
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd, 2018 3:40pm (May 2nd 2018)
     
    Kate go to the first post you put up and click on edit it will then bring it up so you can change it.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd, 2018 6:04pm (May 2nd 2018)
     
    Thanks NN , I'd never have worked that out!

    Yes Diane, she's eating really well now. I couldn't believe it when the vet told me she's overweight. She said she'd put on 40 grams since she was last weighed 18 months ago, but she hadn't eaten for 6 days then so no wonder she seems heavier! She doesn't look fat at all, she looks just right so I will be ignoring the vet's comments on that one!

    Meow Meow is treating her quite badly though - every time she walks past him he hits her and hisses. She must have a different scent about her, but I thought it would've settled down by now.
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd, 2018 4:59pm (May 3rd 2018)
     
    Poor Kitten I didn't think any of your cats looked overweight Kate from the pictures you put up. Cats usually will only eat as much as they need, its when they are given the wrong types of food they fatten up. I think Minnie only ate junk food before she was abandoned as she goes crazy if we have pizza, kebabs or Chinese food and its a job keeping her off our plates. Glad to help out Kate xx
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd, 2018 6:07pm (May 3rd 2018)
     
    I think sometimes when there's more than one cat they hoover up what's there in case someone else grabs it. When Bits died, Tuppence took to leaving her food and coming back to graze during the day.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMay 5th, 2018 4:21pm (May 5th 2018)
     
    So glad she is better, Kate. I hope the hissing and hitting abates soon.

    NN - I was reading along and when you said 'junk food' I was picturing cheap dry cat food, etc... LOL Never heard of a kitty eating HUMAN junk food.

    I am working myself into a tizzy about what to feed my three kittens when they come to live with me. I've read up on what is in canned and dry food made for cats and don't want to feed them that. I make Holly's food for her. It really doesn't take that long and it makes me feel so much better about what she is eating. But, I am vegan and cooking all that meat... I know, these days, some vegans have actually worked out a way to feed their cats a vegan diet. But I don't even do that with Holly and dogs can exist without meat if they need to. Cats have to have taurine. Everyone has their own view of this topic and I know I just have to decide what mine is. But I am finding it difficult. In terms of basic beliefs - I think if an animal is physically designed to eat meat then they should. So, cats should eat meat. But buying it and cooking is is SO hard for me. And then, I need to settle on the recipe. And when you really research you find that most of what we feed our animals is opinion, not science, based. When Holly got so sick 7 years ago - I used a book called Dr Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs & Cats. I'll probably do with what he says. But, holy smoke, anything you think is good for a cat - there is someone with really strong opinions about how it isn't. My acupuncture vet says just feed the kittens a diet of poached smelt (has all the organs, bones, etc) But other people say never feed a cat fish (there is an enzyme in lots of fishes - including smelt - that knocks out Vitamin B1. Although that enzyme is destroyed with cooking). Then there is the raw diet contingent. The same vet says not to do that. His opinion is that dogs and cats are not like their wild cousins, they are human creations and they should eat somewhat similarly to humans at this point. Which takes me back to your junk food addict, NN. :)
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 5th, 2018 7:06pm (May 5th 2018)
     
    You can get organic dry food, Diane. Well you can here...James Wellbeloved is good stuff but kittens need different stuff, don't they. Just a generic kitten food, I would think, Diane.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 5th, 2018 10:42pm (May 5th 2018)
     
    Emmett only ever ate dry food until the last couple of years when she started to enjoy wet food. She had Royal Canin dry food and Felix wet food. She lived to 22 so it did her OK! She was fat most of her life though which I spent years trying to correct but never did. Maybe we worry about what we feed them too much. It's a bit like us - my nan used to say everything in moderation, in other words eat whatever you like but not to excess. I know a lot of vegans but none of them feed their pets a meat free diet (thankfully!). I think they all buy prepared food so that they don't have to handle/cook meat. There's lots of info on the internet about how to prepare your own food but you're right - a lot of it is contradictory. At rehoming the kittens have Felix kitten food and Purina dry food. My cats are so fussy I have a couple of different brands and switch them about.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMay 6th, 2018 1:22am (May 6th 2018) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    It's so difficult managing our pets food, dissecting all the research & weighing up the pros and cons...

    Because I don't have many spoons (see 'the spoon theory' if you're confused :rolling: ) I can't manage a home prepared diet, or feed raw...so I just have to do the best I can in terms of spoons & money. For us this is - DOGS: kibble/wet food with supplements (salmon oil, herbs, seaweed extract, turmeric) & regular raw. CATS: wet food and raw (quail/chicken parts, whole mice etc). I try buy the highest quality food we can afford, but atm we have no money, so...sorry kids :rolling:

    From my research, in terms of commercial food, wet food is healthier for cats & closer to natural diet. It fulfils their needs better - I researched this a ton, ages ago, when we first got our kitties...I can't remember all the details but I remember that because dry food lacks the moisture cats need, cats fed just dry are usually dehydrated. This is due to the fact cats don't have a high thirst drive like dogs, so dry food increases the risk of dehydration & urinary problems. Good cat food brands here (just in case you want to check them out, although idk if you have them there?) include Nature's Menu, Fromm & Forth Glade.

    It's like you said, you do your own research & choose what you think is right/works the best for you...there are 100 different opinions on everything, so it comes down to your research, beliefs & sifting out the facts! I'd love to feed raw for all my dogs & cats, but I just can't, so I weighed up all the options & chose what I think is best in our situation. There are some great FB groups targeted at feeding cats/dogs too, especially about raw feeding (which is a great option if you can stomach it :rolling: ) - you can post on these groups for info, recipes etc (it's also super common that a lot of vets are misinformed about raw feeding).

    Basically I am (badly!!) trying to say you love your furkids so much, you'll definitely figure out what's best for you all :) (Hope this makes sense, I'm really tired!)

    I also agree that animals that are meant to eat meat should, & so would never feed my dogs(/cats) a vegetarian or vegan diet even if they could 'survive' on it...they enjoy meat/raw too much for me to deprive them of that :rolling:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 6th, 2018 1:00pm (May 6th 2018)
     
    My gran's cat was dished up a saucer of whatever she and grandad were eating - cabbage, gravy, the lot. The cat died young ...about eighteen, I think!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMay 6th, 2018 2:41pm (May 6th 2018) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I knew a dog that was fed nothing but Pedigree & chocolate (I kid you not) that lived to be 14, yet we fed our Border Terrier a really high quality food & he passed from stomach cancer at 1yo...luck & genetics play a huge part too I guess :/

    Food's important & plays a huge part in a pet's health, sure, but it's not the be all and end all.

    Also my cats would be thrilled to just be fed table scraps 24/7...they got in a cupboard a few weeks back & polished off an entire pack of 12 plain fairy cakes :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMay 6th, 2018 4:25pm (May 6th 2018)
     
    Thanks all. And Red, that was super helpful.

    No idea what fairy cakes are though. Hopefully they aren't made out of real fairies.
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeMay 6th, 2018 7:59pm (May 6th 2018)
     
    Fairy cakes are also known as cup cakes Diane. Although I do think they are smaller with out so much topping when made the traditional way over here. No fairies are harmed in the making of them.... well not in my house that is they tend to stay down the bottom of the garden Ha ha. I will post pictures next time I make them. As for kitten feeding I use the commercial specialised kitten food sold over here, and offer the wet food and dry food. I also cook white fish carefully checked there are no bones at least once a week or Shredded poached chicken breast a small amount of lamb mince is also welcome as a change. Plus plenty of fresh water. I don't usually give raw food until they are adult. Its all down to personnel preference really as a lot of people can not afford or have time to cook for their animals.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 6th, 2018 10:01pm (May 6th 2018)
     
    Yes Red is spot on about dried cat food - we had a cat that it caused urinary problems in when I was a child. Some cats do prefer it though so fresh water should be available and all times and keep an eye on any wee to make sure there's enough and no blood. Whatever you feel is right will be the best thing to do - I can't say I'm a big believer in all of these different foods for glossy fur, or for certain breeds etc. It just makes us spend more money!!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 7th, 2018 12:38pm (May 7th 2018)
     
    Good grief, Red; I never knew cats were into fairy cakes! Yes, fairy cakes were what we had before cupcakes (not made from cups) invaded. Smaller, lighter and without half a ton of sickly icing on top. Closest my mum got to that was when she made butterfly cakes (no, no butterflies were harmed) by cutting off the little conical top of each cake, putting a little swirl of buttercream on the cut bit, then cutting the cone in half and popping it back on upside down to make two butterfly wings.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMay 8th, 2018 11:53pm (May 8th 2018)
     
    I don't think fairy cakes are a thing over here. Lynnie would know perhaps. Cup cakes, definitely! :) I'm glad it doesn't involve injury to fairies. Or butterflies.

    Martin would get the urinary tract problem with dry food. Just a couple of days of it and off to the vet. Finally I had a vet tell me that most veterinarians notice the symptom (bacteria) and think that is the cause. And just prescribe antibiotics. She said it was really about becoming dehydrated from dry food (or certain cat litters...) and straining to pee too much, causing tears and then having bacteria come in. All I know is that I took her advice and swtiched to only wet food. From then on, it was only when he got dry food that he got sick. For years before that, he would get infections all the time.

    So, I have settled on Wellness (the brand name) Kitten Food. I've started Merlin on it - even though he is still with his mothers at the barn where he/she was born. The other two, Harri and Emma, aren't interested yet but I offer it every time I visit. Merlin gobbles it up. Which makes me very happy.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 9th, 2018 5:16pm (May 9th 2018)
     
    When do you take them home Diane?
    Is Kitten back up to speed now, Kate?
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMay 10th, 2018 12:58am (May 10th 2018)
     
    I am hoping for the 18th but the two younger ones haven't started eating solid food yet. The one who is a week older has been gobbling up her/his canned cat food for days now.

    Yes, Kate, how is Kitten??
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeMay 10th, 2018 7:34am (May 10th 2018)
     
    Nope, no Fairy Cakes over here that I've ever heard of..I love cupcakes with lots of frosting on them.:face-smile:
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMay 10th, 2018 4:44pm (May 10th 2018)
     
    Yes, cupcakes are the BEST!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 10th, 2018 10:41pm (May 10th 2018)
     
    Not keen on all that frosting - it's OK for a change, but butterfly cakes were always a favourite in our house.

    How old are the kittens Diane? We keep them at rehoming with their mother until they're 8 weeks.

    Kitten is doing really well. Sits with me occasionally - not as much as before but I'm sure it'll come. She doesn't rub her teeth on my son's toes any more, which means we thought it was funny and cute when in reality it must've been because they hurt. It's good to see her happy though!
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeMay 11th, 2018 12:51am (May 11th 2018)
     
    Kate, I'm glad that Kitten is doing well now. :face-smile:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 11th, 2018 6:44pm (May 11th 2018)
     
    I hate the excessive icing on cupcakes too - sets me teeth on edge and my pancreas on high alert!
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeMay 11th, 2018 7:57pm (May 11th 2018)
     
    So glad that kitten is recovering well and beginning to trust again. I usually make fairy cakes when Mallory stays as she loves to cook and we have great fun decorating them. Mind you they usually end up with every type of sprinkles on each one that I have !!!! I love blueberry muffins as they are not to sickly and luckily the gluten free ones are nice although mighty expensive. I don't make cake that often nowadays as there is only G/N to eat it. I prefer fresh fruit to be honest.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 11th, 2018 10:11pm (May 11th 2018)
     
    If I'm buying a muffin while I'm out I usually choose blueberry. They're very moist and not too sweet. Can't say I've ever eaten blueberries on their own though!!
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeMay 12th, 2018 2:45pm (May 12th 2018)
     
    oooooooh Kate you are missing out big time, they are totally delicious and they go well with any other berries if you like a fresh berry mix.... eat as is or with yoghurt or cream oh my I want some right now !!. I have two little blue berry bushes in my garden.I bought them last year and am hoping they will bear fruit. They have made it through the winter and have a few flowers so fingers crossed xx
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 12th, 2018 5:00pm (May 12th 2018)
     
    I just eat blueberries on their own straight out of the punnet, often it's my lunch on the road. Scrummy.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 12th, 2018 8:08pm (May 12th 2018)
     
    Next time I see them I'll get some. There's just something about them that puts me off eating them as they are!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMay 12th, 2018 9:52pm (May 12th 2018)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Butterfly buns are my favourite-est thing ever!!! (Also why did my phone try auto correct that too butterfly bums?! :rolling: )