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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd, 2008 5:20pm (Mar 3rd 2008) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    We're doing about social constructs in sociology and had to choose different topics like crime, behaviour etc. and i got given animals. I have to do a survey on animals, particularly pets, to try and see if it is the individual that decides which animals are classed as pets or society. The questions i have to ask people are:

    1) What animals do you consider to be pets?

    2) How would you define a pet? And...

    3) Why are some animals not classed as 'pets'?

    Everyone who has been asked so far all has pretty much the same answers. There was a farmer who didn't class a dog as a pet, and a kid who classed a house spider as a pet...but they're pretty much the only variations.

    It'd be really helpful if some hencammers could answer these, and even better if they had some different views. Just thought perhaps people's answers might vary seeing as some people live in different countries, but it doesn't matter if they are all the same...thankyou in advance anyway, hope all this made sense :crazy:
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      CommentAuthorwazza
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd, 2008 5:50pm (Mar 3rd 2008)
     

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    1) What animals do you consider to be pets?

    Fish, mice, hampsters, dogs, gerbils all sorts of rodents and even some snakes, chickens

    2) How would you define a pet? And...

    well it all depends on what you have the animal for you have chiclens as pets.. others have them as farm animals to rear as food or for eggs. So basically it depends on what you need or have the animal for

    3) Why are some animals not classed as 'pets'?

    CATS defo not pets they are vermin.. (Only Kidding) Horses are too big to be pets so are cows and large beasts
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd, 2008 5:51pm (Mar 3rd 2008)
     
    I don't regard my animals as 'pets', but as companions. 'Pet' to me implies ownership. They have characters and personalities - which precludes 'ownership' in my book. But then, as I'm constantly being told, I'm not normal... :jumping:
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      CommentAuthorwazza
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd, 2008 6:00pm (Mar 3rd 2008)
     

    no longer a member

    What a nice thing to say CC and I think you have it spot on
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd, 2008 7:14pm (Mar 3rd 2008) edited
     
    I was thinking along the same lines. That made me decide to look up the definition: "Pet - 1. an animal that is tamed and treated with affection, kept for companionship or amusement. 2. a darling, or favorite." I'd add that a pet is a being whom one feeds and cleans up after the results of that feeding, with the pay off being that the animal then allows you to touch (pet) them. Additionally, you both agree not to eat each other (I suppose that's what "tamed" means.)

    Based on that, and because its what I already thought, any animal has the potential to be a pet. In my day-to-day life, common pets are dogs, cats, mice/hamsters, rabbits, reptiles, birds (especially chickens), horses, goats, sheep.

    I think every species on earth has at one time or another been considered someone's pet. Again, when they typically are not its because they would rather eat you or scare you than be fed by you. Or when they don't live with you for free - when they work for the food and shelter you provide. I'm guessing that would include that farmer's dog.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd, 2008 8:08pm (Mar 3rd 2008)
     
    Based on your definition, a sprog is a pet...:)
    People who have 'pets' seem to have expectations; they almost have a contract with the animal - on their side, anyway. 'I feed you and keep you warm THEREFORE you owe me affection'. It's a transaction.They're the ones who sulk when a cat won't sit on their lap or when a dog decides not to come when called (and often call it to heel just because they can). It might also be a power thing on a deep murky level known only to deep-sea divers and Diane; 'I could deprive you of food/warmth/shelter any time I like'.
    Personally, I chose to have a tortoiseshell (or 'calico' :\) cat precisely because I admire their feisty independence. I let Bits live with us because he wanted to. My rabbits and chickens rattle free around the garden because that's how they ought to live if it's safe for them, and are locked up at night to protect them. They're companions, not possessions.

    But then I'm a looooooooooooooooooony... :crazy:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd, 2008 8:41pm (Mar 3rd 2008) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Wow these're some really good and interesting answers - i knew it was a good idea to ask you all, big thank yous! :cool:

    So do you think it's society that determines which animals we keep as domestic pets, or is it individual choice? After reading this it seems the definition of a pet changes with the individual, which is interesting as the people i already asked defined a pet as a tamed animal that lived in their house and that was under their care...

    I refer to my chickens as pets, but i think of them as part of the family not possessions... :tongue:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd, 2008 9:07pm (Mar 3rd 2008)
     
    I think people who have a real affinity towards animals (which probably includes most of us hencammers - except Wazza, I'm gonna get him one day!) don't think of their animals as pets. I hate it when the press refer to gangs of kids as acting "like animals" - animals in the main don't go around getting drunk and beating up their elders! I think a pet is an animal that we choose to try to domesticate by feeding it and preventing it living 'wild', or as nature intended. (But does that imply that zoo animals are pets?) I think any animal can be a pet but agree that it is society's influence. I would imagine that in many countries - especially those in the middle east - they don't generally have pets.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd, 2008 9:46pm (Mar 3rd 2008)
     
    Some religions don't allow pets, either. The Exclusive Brethren (the ladies always wear little headscarves over long hair - don't know if you have them near you, they tend to live in clusters) are forbidden to have pets, because it's seen as idolatry.
    Choice of pet is up to individual choice, I would have said. People who think I'm a nutter think it's normal to keep s*dding great sp*ders. (:shocked:Gah....)American Pitbulls...snakes...rats...stick insects...they all make SOMEBODY shudder. Yet to their 'owners', they're the ideal pet. For various reasons...The American pitbull owners are often inadequates who are probably trying to bolster a fragile ego. Oh, I dunno; Diane's the expert on that side of it! People who own rats seem to take a perverse delight in others' reactions to their 'pet'. Ditto snakes. Often they're almost disappointed if you don't squeal and shudder!
    Interesting subject - never really thought about it before!
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeMar 4th, 2008 12:51am (Mar 4th 2008)
     
    All of my critters are my pets. Just because an animal does work for a living, doesn't mean it's not a pet. My horses are my pets. This is a hard one to answer. I've had a pot belly pig as a house pet in the past, he made a wonderful pet. He was easier to housebreak than a dog. He used a catbox to go potty, loved to take a bath and enjoyed sitting on the sofa with me watching TV. Everyone's idea of a pet is different. You can make almost anything into a pet.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMar 4th, 2008 2:42pm (Mar 4th 2008) edited
     
    How does a pig go mad in a cat box?? :shocked:
    Perhaps the word 'make' ("You can make almost anything into a pet" ) is the operative word with pets; it implies creation, or alteration of behaviour. Whereas the animals I have aren't trained. Yes, they are, thinking about it, they're housetrained, and expect food at certain times (although that might be them training ME!), and the rabbits know to go in the hutch when I go out at night with the rabbit-herding stick!
    Blimey, Red, I wish you'd stop making us THINK...I can't cope! :)
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMar 4th, 2008 3:31pm (Mar 4th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Yes, but you lot thinking means i have to think less :smile:

    I honestly can't believe all the fantastic answers there are, this is brilliant! I thought it was going to be so boring at first, but this has actually made it much more interesting...i have to try and write it all up and make sense of it by Friday now, first draft is supposed to be in by tomorrow :o Thanks again everyone :bigsmile:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMar 4th, 2008 3:55pm (Mar 4th 2008)
     
    Here, do we get part shares in your A level?
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMar 4th, 2008 5:59pm (Mar 4th 2008)
     
    I think the best we can hope for is a named credit on the bibliography!!

    Good luck with it Red, its one of those things where there is no hard and fast rule, its down to individuals, place and time. One thing's for certain though, us hancammers all love our 'pets'!!!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMar 4th, 2008 6:43pm (Mar 4th 2008)
     
    So *going potty* means going insane there, but not going, well R***** P**?
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMar 4th, 2008 7:17pm (Mar 4th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    If i get a good grade i'll dedicate my work to you, and if i get a bad grade i'll point the finger at you :fingersear:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMar 4th, 2008 7:29pm (Mar 4th 2008) edited
     
    Yes, going potty = going loopy, going doolally,going harpic.
    That's why I was confused; envisaging a pig going mad in a cat box...
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMar 5th, 2008 4:26am (Mar 5th 2008) edited
     
    Going potty = going to the pot or toilet, here. No one would think of it as a reference to sanity. Although many of us have heard the Brit version. Never heard harpic though. That's interesting. What's the source of that?
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMar 5th, 2008 4:48pm (Mar 5th 2008) edited
     
    Harpic is bleach for bogs/loos/lavatories/toilets. Clean round the bend, see??
    :rolling:
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMar 5th, 2008 6:39pm (Mar 5th 2008)
     
    LOL. Here its *clear* around the bend, so I guess it wouldn't work to say someone's gone clorox.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMar 5th, 2008 7:36pm (Mar 5th 2008)
     
    I suppose it might. You could say they've gone drainrod...
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMar 14th, 2008 6:08pm (Mar 14th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I got my sociology project back today...and i got an A- :cheer: :boogie:

    I'm so chuffed, all the thinking was worth it. Thanks again everyone :smile:
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeMar 14th, 2008 6:37pm (Mar 14th 2008)
     
    CONGRATULATIONS RED!!!!!!!!!! An A- is wonderful! :cheer: :clap:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMar 14th, 2008 7:03pm (Mar 14th 2008)
     
    A-???? I thought we deserved an A++++++++..... :(
    Come on, Ref!!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMar 14th, 2008 8:30pm (Mar 14th 2008)
     
    Perhaps the teacher is one of those that gives a lower mark to give students something to aim at? Congrats Red!!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMar 14th, 2008 8:34pm (Mar 14th 2008)
     
    I think that's mean if that's the case. The girl done well! :)
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMar 14th, 2008 8:37pm (Mar 14th 2008)
     
    Teachers always have a mean streak!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMar 14th, 2008 8:39pm (Mar 14th 2008)
     
    I used to notice that, too...
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMar 14th, 2008 10:05pm (Mar 14th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Thanks Lynn :bigsmile:

    Oh sure, you guys all deserved A++++++++, it was my shabby work that pulled it down to an A- :wink:

    Oh jeez, I was just pressing shift-and-+ at the same time for the A+ and now i've made all the font & emoticons HUGE!! How the heck do i shrink 'em again?!?! AAAAAAGH!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMar 15th, 2008 4:18am (Mar 15th 2008) edited
     
    They look the right size from here.

    CONGRATS RED!
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      CommentAuthorwazza
    • CommentTimeMar 15th, 2008 5:31am (Mar 15th 2008)
     

    no longer a member

    Congratulations... do we win a prize for aiding and abetting ?
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMar 15th, 2008 8:59am (Mar 15th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I know what i've done - it's a shortcut thing to type in on your pooter to make things enlarged so it's easier for to read for people who have bad eyesight, etc. However i don't have bad eyesight and i want to shrink the size down again. It's actually really annoying... :P
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMar 15th, 2008 10:20pm (Mar 15th 2008)
     
    Can't you do the same but hit the - (minus) key? Or turn it off and on again, that usually works. Or get your dad to sort it!!!! :D