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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeApr 28th, 2008 10:22pm (Apr 28th 2008)
     
    Yes, I've put them right next to each other with a small gap just so's they can't grab or bite! They both seem to be looking for each other at the moment so hopefully it'll have a good outcome in the end. I'd love to see them both happy! I should really be spending some time creating them a play area.

    Hubby thinks I'm mad - he's calling me the rat lady instead of the cat lady now. I told him - kids and Caitlyn first, then cats, then rats, then him. Unless i can think of something else to go after rats! :D He knows I don't mean it!
    • CommentAuthormadeinwood
    • CommentTimeApr 29th, 2008 8:19am (Apr 29th 2008)
     
    Back to topic, guys - sorry.

    Remember, I'm trying to kill the rats I've got, so don't read this bit if you're feeling all cuddly about them!

    I've found a professional! Or at least, an ex-gamekeeper with extensive experience. He's raised my hen shed on to blocks and is intending to lay traps underneath. He's assessed my field for places the rats might go to and has cleared out and burned as much as possible, and tidied the rest.

    He's reinforced my chicken wire between the end of my garden and the field so that fleeing rats won't head straight for my house. He considered using gas, but apparently I don't have a big enough problem for it to be worthwhile. It seems I've probably only got a few rats!

    He's trying my eradibait poison first, as that is the one to use if there are other animals around.

    I'll keep you updated.
    • CommentAuthorollie in UK
    • CommentTimeApr 29th, 2008 8:25am (Apr 29th 2008)
     
    Hope your pet gamekeeper (woowoo) removes the poor beasties later. I hate seeing carcases around.
    Found a very dead rat on my lawn the other week. There are stables in the next field so assumed it was one of their losers.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeApr 29th, 2008 10:37pm (Apr 29th 2008)
     
    Pet rats are quite different to wild ones - bit like comparing my fat cat to a lion, or a german shepherd dog to a wolf. You can live with one but not the other! I hope your gamekeeper is successful - please let us know if he sorts it out for you. I've thought about you a few times since I became a rat owner!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeApr 29th, 2008 10:45pm (Apr 29th 2008) edited
     
    Molly and Patrick - roomies!!!!

    Roomies!

    Sorry for the rubbish photo - had to take at distance with full zoom. Any closer and they scarper!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeApr 30th, 2008 3:14am (Apr 30th 2008)
     
    Awww. Look at those sweet girls. Happiness. :D :D
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeApr 30th, 2008 5:45am (Apr 30th 2008)
     
    Awwww..Kate, they look very happy together now. It's good to have a friend.
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      CommentAuthorTori
    • CommentTimeApr 30th, 2008 1:19pm (Apr 30th 2008)
     
    Aw they look like best buds !
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeApr 30th, 2008 5:29pm (Apr 30th 2008)
     
    I reckon you'll be able to put them together very soon.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeApr 30th, 2008 7:09pm (Apr 30th 2008)
     
    They ARE together! Its not without its problems though. Molly seems to be scared of Patrick (though she still follows her sometimes) and Pat keeps stamping on Molly's head. If she looks a Molls her whiskers freeze (as if she's been spotted by a cat!) and she cowers. However, there's no obvious fighting or blood so perhaps its just a rat-pecking-order thing. I don't think they're eating much either. They normally devour the fruit and veg on an evening but they've barely touched it. Wish I knew more about ratties!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeApr 30th, 2008 8:04pm (Apr 30th 2008)
     
    Its probably a little traumatic for them at the moment. Molly looks a lot smaller than Patrick. That's probably good. With dogs & cats at least there are usually only bad problems when the pecking order is unclear. Then they have to constantly fight for position...
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeApr 30th, 2008 8:39pm (Apr 30th 2008)
     
    Well, they're running around at the moment, and I've just created their first play area! Its only taped together boxes and a fleece, but its a start!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeApr 30th, 2008 10:55pm (Apr 30th 2008)
     
    Start collecting toilet & kitchen roll middles!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMay 1st, 2008 3:21pm (May 1st 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I'm sure they'll be fine in a few days Kate, doesn't sound like they're fighting all the time so that's gotta be a good sign :thumbup:

    Madeinwood, good luck with your rat problem! :)
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 1st, 2008 6:21pm (May 1st 2008)
     
    They seem better today, a little more settled. Molly stepped into the play area for about 20 seconds and went back in the cage. Patrick was really scared. I think she's institutionalised - like some 70 year old who's been in jail for 60 years for stealing a chocolate bar as a kid. She kept creeping over to the open door, then running to the opposite corner and crouching down. A bit like when you play with a puppy and it keeps running away, peeping around the corner, and coming back. It was really cute but I hope it didn't stress her too much. I'll have to try a little bit each night and perhaps she'll try it out. At least she's got a bigger cage and some company now.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 1st, 2008 9:10pm (May 1st 2008)
     
    Praps she's agoraphobic?
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 1st, 2008 10:20pm (May 1st 2008)
     
    Who knows!!! Well, despite my 'panic' mode about whether they were really getting on or not, they do seem to be settling in together. Molly is still chasing Patrick, who in turn is very patient up to a point. Molly will plague her, and then roll herself over in front of Patrick as if wanting to be put in her place!! I've also noticed that Molly is stashing food for Patrick. I gave Molly a yoghurt fruit sweet earlier which she took from me - she usually turns her nose up at them, literally!! Anyway, off she ran to their box and gave it straight to Patrick who loves them.

    I've just been out for half an hour and left 'their' room in darkness. I could hear lots of noise so went in and they're racing around the cage, knocking litter everywhere, the fleece is all over the place, food bowl upturned - I think they had a party while mom was away!!!!!

    It really is the sweetest thing to see them - I'm so glad they seem happy together. Emmett loves it too - she sits on the landing watching them play, but I have to keep saying "I'm watching you Emmett" to stop her going in the room and scaring them (like she did this morning! Oops!)
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd, 2008 11:42pm (May 2nd 2008)
     
    That gift of food from Molly to Patrick was very cool to know about Kate. Especially since you already knew that Molly didn't like that food and Patrick loved it. Wow. That is really interesting!!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd, 2008 11:48pm (May 2nd 2008)
     
    I had to clean them out again tonight after last night's efforts, and removed the cage from the bottom tray. Eventually Patrick ventured out and found another box to hide in (the one Molly came from the pet shop in). Molly ran around a little, spent ages climbing the outside of the cage until I was ready for them to go back. I put Molly on the floor and told her to go fetch Patrick. She ran over to the box, dived in ... and silence. They were sat there together! I went downstairs and had a cup of tea and when came back Molly was fast asleep snuggled up to Patrick as if they were mother and daughter. Soooooo cute!! Molly adores Patrick and I think she's quite fond of the little too!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd, 2008 11:57pm (May 2nd 2008)
     
    Oh that is SO SWEET. *Eyes watering.*
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd, 2008 11:47am (May 3rd 2008)
     
    I tried to get a photo but only succeeded n scaring them. You can't imagine how pleased I am that they're getting on together. Its made such a difference to Patrick - she seems more confident. I hoped Molly would encourage her to allow me to pick her up, but it seems Molly is going the other way and running from me! Still, I thought I've give them chance to settle and then try to get them used to handling.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd, 2008 2:21pm (May 3rd 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Awww, that's very cute, i'm glad Patrick has a friend now :)
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd, 2008 3:23pm (May 3rd 2008)
     
    Peerhaps the gift of food is to curry favour? Tuppence sometimes brings an ex-mouse in and lays it beside Bits' dish. Creep!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd, 2008 4:17pm (May 3rd 2008)
     
    Good point. Molly always lets Patrick go check out the food first too. I think I might be giving them too much 'extra' stuff as they're leaving the reggie rat balanced diet stuff. They love peas and sweetcorn, and get other veg (if I've got some), fruit, pasta, rice, whatever I can pinch off the family's plates!!

    I'm beginning to wonder if I should've got 2 babies though - Patrick is at least 8 months, the life span is about 2.5yrs, so Molly could end up alone. Not sure I could cope with integrating another one now though!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd, 2008 5:29pm (May 3rd 2008)
     
    Has the pet shop still got any of Molly's siblings? A female, preferably. Then she'd be used to the newcomer, and Patrick might take to her more readily.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd, 2008 6:52pm (May 3rd 2008)
     
    There were 3 of them when I bought her, but I don't know if she'd remember them? Also she's getting a terrible bully - Patrick had to put her in her place today when she stole his biscuit he'd stashed! Mind you, before that she'd been grooming Pat - was stood across her combing through the hair on the top of her head. Patrick had her eyes closed as if she was having an indian head massage!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMay 4th, 2008 2:04am (May 4th 2008)
     
    LOL - Kate, why did you switch gender there?

    What I love about the Molly feeding Patrick story is that she knew what one of Patrick's favorite foods was.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 4th, 2008 4:15pm (May 4th 2008)
     
    Diane, what you mean is (steepling fingers and peering at Kate over your spectacles) 'Hmmmm....interesting, Kate - why did you switch gender there...?'
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 4th, 2008 4:23pm (May 4th 2008)
     
    Darn it!! I'm usually really careful about the Patrick girl thing, but I missed it on that one obviously!

    Molly has gone back to hiding in the tube. Hope she's OK - might take her to the vets just in case. I'm a bit worried that she's not eating properly - too much fresh fruit and veg and not enough balanced reggie rat food. Unless she's just tired - she could've been running around all night for all I know!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 4th, 2008 5:49pm (May 4th 2008)
     
    Can you withhold (two h's or one? Neither looks right...) the fruit and veg for a day or so? Or feed Patrick separately?
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMay 4th, 2008 7:52pm (May 4th 2008)
     
    Given my experience with Martin and the cat food debacle - I'd feed just the balanced food at first and then add in other things as long as they still keep eating their "kibble."

    Who knows why little Molly is hiding out. Maybe Patrick has been taunting her. I hope she's ok!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 4th, 2008 8:47pm (May 4th 2008)
     
    I had Molly out but she wasn't very enthusiastic. First she hid down my sleeve whereas she normally runs around, and then when I put her on the floor she ran back to the cage, in, and straight up the pipe again. I've just said in the other thread I'm beginning to wish Patrick had been rehomed and I just had the cats. That makes me feel awful though - I've grown to really love those rats in such a short time.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 5th, 2008 1:10pm (May 5th 2008)
     
    Molly seems a little better today. Patrick is stealing her food off her - if I give them both a biscuit Patrick stashes hers then comes back and grabs Molly's. I can't decide if its pecking order, or if she's just not used to sharing. Either way, Molly is losing out!

    Also, I went in to Patrick & Molly's room this morning to say hi and left the
    door open. I went back 20mins later and realised that I had left the
    door to the cage open last night (which meant the cat could've helped herself this morning when I was downstairs!) There is no evidence they came out at any time - its going to be an uphill struggle to get these 2 to freerange!

    While chatting to them my hubby arrived and Patrick immediately turned
    to get attention from him. He reached in - and picked her straight
    up. No struggle, or fight, or desperation to get away. WHY!!!! I'm
    so jealous! Do some rats prefer men?
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 5th, 2008 3:18pm (May 5th 2008)
     
    I don't see why not; my friend's cat prefers men, my dad once had a parrot which loathed women (mum made him rehome her!).
    • CommentAuthorollie in UK
    • CommentTimeMay 5th, 2008 6:25pm (May 5th 2008)
     
    Mother had a minor bird that would repeat anything she taught, and some it just overheard but completely ignored Dad's efforts.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMay 5th, 2008 8:07pm (May 5th 2008)
     
    My mother had a goose that would chase my dad around the yard and bite him in the butt.
    • CommentAuthorollie in UK
    • CommentTimeMay 5th, 2008 8:34pm (May 5th 2008)
     
    Geese!! I hate them.
    I was a postlady delivering the mail to a farm, they left a big stick by the gate to fend the geese off but I was still terrified. The quickest bit of my round.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 5th, 2008 10:23pm (May 5th 2008)
     
    Molly seems much perkier this evening. She's been running around a bit and stealing her biscuits back. Patrick then takes them again, so she goes and gets them again - and so it goes! Perhaps she was feeling under the weather yesterday - I'm going to cut back on what i give them - have just put some fruit in tonight (bit of melon and grapes).

    I saw what appeared to be blood on a piece of kitchen roll in there but will keep an eye on them and see if it appears again. Can't find any wounds so only other place is in urine. Lets hope it was a scratch that I couldn't see.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMay 8th, 2008 4:22pm (May 8th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Hey Kate, how are the two rats doing? :)
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 8th, 2008 8:10pm (May 8th 2008)
     
    I don't want to tempt fate, but they seem to be doing OK! Molly is turning into a mad groomer. I saw her grab Patrick this evening (she's still 2 or 3 times as big as Molly) and groom her head so much Patrick has a little bald spot by her ear!! Perhaps Molls wants to be a barber?

    Patrick is calming down a little bit and slowly getting used to our contact with her. I think the blood I'd spotted was possibly from her foot, but I'm not sure. It was only tiny spots so I'm not too worried.

    I've carried on putting the fruit in as they seem to look for it when I go in and they will get liquid from it - they don't seem to drink much at all. Hubby is making daily visits and I think growing quite fond of Patrick (who he insists on calling 'he'!) but would never admit it! They need cleaning out again and that ALWAYS upsets Patrick but its gotta be done! Think I'll take them the vet tomorrow for a registration visit - £24 to see them both.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 8th, 2008 8:59pm (May 8th 2008)
     
    Go on, book 'em in as Ima and Yura. You know you want to!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 8th, 2008 10:00pm (May 8th 2008)
     
    I do, I really do!! The cat's would've been but I gave them bikers names so's hubby would let me have them!!!!!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 9th, 2008 6:30pm (May 9th 2008)
     
    So the rats can be Ima and Yura, then. O pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease....
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 9th, 2008 6:46pm (May 9th 2008)
     
    Actually the vets I'm taking them too don't call out animal name plus my surname, the vet just pops his head out and says "Mrs Burke". The cats vet used to though - missed an opportunity there. I'd tell the nurses when I get there but they don't seem to have much sense of humour.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMay 9th, 2008 8:25pm (May 9th 2008) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I like it when you phone the vets and they ask for the animal's name, colour, age etc. It makes me feel like they know whichever animal a little better, kinda like they're friends already...jeez, what a goon i am :-\

    Let us know how they get on at the vets Kate, but glad to hear they seem to be doing okay.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 10th, 2008 11:46pm (May 10th 2008)
     
    I wish I could spend more time with them - it seems the real 'hardened' rat owners are disabled and therefore don't work so are at home with them all the time (well, that's how it seems on the Yahoo group anyway!) They would be more sociable then and maybe improve their confidence.
    • CommentAuthorollie in UK
    • CommentTimeMay 11th, 2008 9:19am (May 11th 2008)
     
    Kate. Was that last sentence refering to the rats or their owners?
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMay 11th, 2008 12:28pm (May 11th 2008) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I think male rats are supposed to be much easier to tame. When i was a kid we had two male rats, they got incredibly fat and would just sit on your lap watching TV :D We used to let them out in the living room and taught them to play hide and seek, then come running when we shouted for them :cool:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 11th, 2008 12:42pm (May 11th 2008)
     
    Bit like male humans...! (I never said that, if Eric ever works out how to use the pooter...)
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 11th, 2008 3:08pm (May 11th 2008)
     
    The rats Ollie!!!

    Rats are soooo much like humans! You're right Red, the males are lazy and bigger, and happy to be handled. The females are usually much more active and smaller. They always seem to have something to do so don't sit still for long.

    I have a front zipped tracksuit jacket that I was using to put Molly inside (while I wear it) to get used to my scent and being around humans. The past few days Patrick has been a lot more sociable, and when we walk into the room will stretch up for some attention. If the top of the cage is open she will climb up on top and then jump back in. This morning she climbed out and walked over to me. She put her front feet on my chest and looked as if she wanted to climb up but didn't quite have the confidence. I put the jacket on and she happily climbed off the cage and inside it. I walked downstairs with her and she loved running around inside it (hate it when she goes down the sleeve though but can't explain why). Its lovely to see her growing accustomed to us.
    • CommentAuthorCake
    • CommentTimeMay 11th, 2008 3:52pm (May 11th 2008)
     
    I stood on a rat near my hut the other night and the sound was sooo funny. It sounded just like a squeeky toy, or like Sweep does when he talks! I hope I did it a serious injury or at least damaged its wedding tackle! That of course is presuming it was male!
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      CommentAuthorTori
    • CommentTimeMay 11th, 2008 3:55pm (May 11th 2008)
     
    Thats not verryy nice. It could have been yours.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMay 11th, 2008 5:35pm (May 11th 2008) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I'm glad the rats are becoming friendlier, kate. You're doing a grand job, and it must be nice to see your hard work paying off :bigsmile:

    That's awful, Cake...isn't there any other way to get rid of 'em? :confused:
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMay 11th, 2008 6:41pm (May 11th 2008)
     
    Now you are like mama kangaroo Kate. That's very sweet. I can understand why going down the sleeve would be anxiety producing. Only thing worse would be up a pant leg. Eeek!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 11th, 2008 7:16pm (May 11th 2008)
     
    Particularly if they WERE pants...you mean trousers, I take it?? I hope???!:shocked::smile:
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMay 11th, 2008 7:25pm (May 11th 2008) edited
     
    Yes indeed - what did you think I meant?

    Here we have pants and then, only an indirect (you know us - most subtle) reference to *under pants.*

    Trousers imply masculine attire. And something that goes with a suit, typically. Slacks - for women. Pants are jeans, etc... And what dogs do.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 11th, 2008 9:20pm (May 11th 2008)
     
    Ooo er Cake, but I can understand why you'd hope to have damaged its tackle! Rats can produce so quickly, and so many at a time. And they're independent really early too - quite scary when you think about it. I still couldn't hurt one deliberately.

    I think its because I worry they'd bite the fleshy bit under my arm (bingo wings). That'd REALLY hurt! I came upstairs earlier and Patrick was asleep on her shelf with Molly lying over her the opposite way. By the time I picked my camera up they'd moved.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMay 11th, 2008 10:54pm (May 11th 2008)
     
    Oh was a sweet moment Kate. :)

    How did the vet visit go?
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 12th, 2008 10:45am (May 12th 2008)
     
    Haven't been yet!! The urgency dropped off and then I couldn't get in at a convenient time so I'll go this week instead.
    • CommentAuthorCake
    • CommentTimeMay 12th, 2008 1:06pm (May 12th 2008)
     
    Easiest way is poison as they often take it back to the nest and all eat it but i find either a big stick or a terrier is also a good way or all 3!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMay 12th, 2008 1:40pm (May 12th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I heard that rats are so intelligent that they can learn not to eat the poison, too.

    My uncle had a mole infestation and couldn't get them out of the garden...these big mounds of dirt kept popping up everywhere :D
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 12th, 2008 3:41pm (May 12th 2008)
     
    Kate; it might be a cheap alternative to plastic surgery for getting rid of bingo flaps (not that you have any...I hate you and want to fight you:)....)!
    Diane; pants = knickers, underpants, undercrackers. And what a hot dog (as opposed to a hotdog) does. Vest = undershirt? When that merkin came to our house when I was a sprog, we went out for a meal. He said 'I'll just change into my vest and pants and I'll be with you.'
    I told my mum that if he was only going to wear underwear, I wasn't going with them!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMay 12th, 2008 6:48pm (May 12th 2008)
     
    That was clearly a traumatic childhood event. No wonder you refuse to visit us here. Have you seen anyone about it?
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 12th, 2008 7:47pm (May 12th 2008)
     
    I read that rats are very wary about eating something new, and will only taste it once they've been exposed to it several times. Even then one will try it and make sure before the others do. Don't know if its true though.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 13th, 2008 2:42am (May 13th 2008)
     
    Yes Diane: that whole episode shaped my life and I cannot bring myself to visit a land where grown men go out to dinner in their underwear and are afraid of meatballs/cigarettes...:)
    • CommentAuthorCake
    • CommentTimeMay 14th, 2008 1:51pm (May 14th 2008)
     
    Where is this land? sounds like fun. no, really...where is it?
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 14th, 2008 5:10pm (May 14th 2008)
     
    Diane's a merican. But we don't hold it against her. And that's where men go out in their underwear and are scared of meatballs/cigarettes.
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      CommentAuthorLuke
    • CommentTimeMay 14th, 2008 7:46pm (May 14th 2008)
     
    yeah, makes sense..:confused:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 14th, 2008 10:34pm (May 14th 2008)
     
    Faggots, dear, faggots!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMay 15th, 2008 2:40am (May 15th 2008)
     
    CC - did someone whisper you there? Because that last sentence makes no sense... Wot?
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      CommentAuthorneil
    • CommentTimeMay 15th, 2008 3:49pm (May 15th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    lol! What you merkins call meatballs, we call faggots... although it's slowly become more the same as the US connotation.

    However you can still buy "Mr Brains Pork Faggots" if you really want to (yeuch! :fierce: )
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 15th, 2008 4:09pm (May 15th 2008)
     
    Luke used the confused emoticon -:confused:- so I thought he was floundering and in need of an explanation, Diane. See?
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      CommentAuthorTori
    • CommentTimeMay 15th, 2008 6:56pm (May 15th 2008)
     
    But I and my mum calls them meatballsss
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMay 15th, 2008 7:23pm (May 15th 2008)
     
    LOL - I'm guessing it was the entire *meatball sentence,* if you look at it. As a man, he might be wondering and hoping to avoid this location... :P
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 15th, 2008 8:17pm (May 15th 2008)
     
    What, America? Should be able to; I'm 47 and have managed to avoid it so far! :D
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 15th, 2008 9:48pm (May 15th 2008)
     
    I know its unusual for me, but I'm putting this back on topic!

    I took both the rats to the vet tonight for a 'registration visit' -
    bit like a medical I suppose. I have a small carrier with zip opening
    ends - pretty standard - and when I opened it the vet began to talk
    nicely to Patrick as she stuck her nose out. I warned him neither was
    particularly sociable. When he went to pick her up she went into panic
    mode and tried to run. He caught her - she wiggled free again and
    headed for the floor. He caught her again on his leg but by her tail.
    He picked her up (by the tail) and she went into terror mode, wriggling, trying to escape, peeing all over the table, squeaking. She reached up to try to bite him and he dropped her (only a small distance) and she ran back to
    the carrier and hid. I explained about the bits of blood I've seen on the shelf and he did a test on the urine but it was OK - not that I think it was in her urine!

    So then he tried Molly. She had obviously seen all of this going on,
    and when he tried to pick her up she did the same - wriggle, squeak,
    pee - so he gave up. I'm really disappointed that it went so badly.
    He said I need to socialise them more (what if they never accept being
    picked up?) Patrick's eye looks sore still - it has a scratch right
    next to it. I asked about that and he told me all about rat tears
    looking like blood, which I've already read about. ARRGH! I know the difference between a scratch and tears!

    Molly is hiding now but Patrick seems OK. At least he didn't charge me anything!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMay 16th, 2008 7:16am (May 16th 2008)
     
    God. He needs to have a huge hand thrust at him and then be grabbed and swung about by his tail. :angry:

    So - do you think the blood might have been from Molly then?
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMay 16th, 2008 5:25pm (May 16th 2008) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    What an idiot! I hope he hasn't scared Patrick about being picked up. One of our rats went up this metal spring that connected two levels of the cage, and managed to get stuck. The rat went into a panic, flailing madly and wriggling. We eventually got it free but it was scared to death and never went up that way again!

    He doesn't sound like he was very good with rodents. At all.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 16th, 2008 9:57pm (May 16th 2008)
     
    I don't know where the blood is from. I'm hoping its Patrick's foot and not her uterus.

    I'm so undecided about the vet. He was so good with Joey but Molly is completely terrified today still. Patrick is OK and her normal self. I put Molly inside my jacket and she hid and went to sleep. When she woke up i got her to sit in my hand inside the jacket which was great until she pee'd on me. I had a puddle in my hand!!!! I might need to find a forum that can recommend a patient vet.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 17th, 2008 5:07pm (May 17th 2008)
     
    Isn't there a British rat fancy or something? And if there's one local to you, they might be able to recommend a specialist vet.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 17th, 2008 6:47pm (May 17th 2008)
     
    I've found a british forum so will have to scout around it and see what I can find. Patrick seems a lot more confident the last couple of days - it's great to see her feeling happier!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMay 17th, 2008 10:47pm (May 17th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    You need to come to the vet at the bottom of our road, he was great with mice! :D
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 18th, 2008 11:24am (May 18th 2008)
     
    I've posted on a forum to see if there's anyone in my area who can suggest one. Rat owners tend to self-medicate all the time. No wonder rats don't live long!!!!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMay 19th, 2008 2:59pm (May 19th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I could never do that. Especially not with such a small animal.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 26th, 2008 7:25pm (May 26th 2008)
     
    For those that haven't read it on the other threads, I've been worried about Patrick and her death-rattle breathing so I thought I'd update in this thread.

    I phoned my vet's number this morning and the emergency service said
    they could send a vet out to home visit but couldn't give me a
    price. I decided I'd leave it and take her tomorrow. Everything I read got scarier and scarier, saying she should be seen now etc, but the cost was worrying me.

    Anyway, after I posted earlier I sat and thought a while, tried to
    distract myself watching TV, reading, but I knew I really couldn't
    live with myself if anything happened to her. So I found another
    vets' contact number, called their emergency service, and took her
    straight there. The vet didn't actually listen to her chest but he weighed her and gave her antibiotic injections.

    He said that would cover her for 24hrs and to take her to my vet
    tomorrow where he'd probably give her a weeks course of abs. As a
    diagnosis he's put respiratory infection / primary lung cancer! I
    really didn't expect that! It was £50 ($100) well spent - if my own vet had quoted a price she'd have been seen sooner, but it was the unknown amount that worried me. Might bring that up tomorrow.

    I've been giving her occasional rat choc drops, but nothing else
    seems to tempt her. This seems to be having a knock-on effect - Molly
    isn't interested in food either but she has no symptoms. Patrick is drinking so I assume that's good.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeMay 26th, 2008 7:32pm (May 26th 2008)
     
    It does sound good that she is drinking. I hope things get even better with the next vet visit!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 26th, 2008 7:36pm (May 26th 2008)
     
    Me too - I didn't realise rats were such sickly animals. They're great pets but only if you like going to the vet too!!
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      CommentAuthorAce
    • CommentTimeMay 26th, 2008 7:55pm (May 26th 2008)
     
    Tell Pat to get well soon, Kate.:)
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 26th, 2008 8:36pm (May 26th 2008)
     
    Actually, fifty quid's not bad; Willow cost us a ton when we took her. Not as greedy in Brum! Hope she (and you) feels better soon .
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      CommentAuthorneil
    • CommentTimeMay 27th, 2008 4:50pm (May 27th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I think that's why I couldn't have rats or mice as pets again - they're so susceptible to all the nasty stuff that we can get, but in their accelerated lifetime, poor little things...
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMay 27th, 2008 6:11pm (May 27th 2008) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    When i took Jayden to the vet to be examined a week and a half ago he didn't charge me anything. He was really nice with her. Today it only cost a fiver.
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      CommentAuthorAce
    • CommentTimeMay 27th, 2008 6:15pm (May 27th 2008)
     
    That was really nice of him.:)
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeMay 27th, 2008 6:16pm (May 27th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I know, I was lucky to have found him - and he lives just at the bottom of our road.
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      CommentAuthorAce
    • CommentTimeMay 27th, 2008 6:20pm (May 27th 2008)
     
    Thats close. I wish he was near here.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 27th, 2008 9:49pm (May 27th 2008)
     
    I took Patrick to my vet this morning as she was noisy again and I'm very disappointed. I explained about the visit to the emergency service and she took my print out and didn't return it. Don't suppose I need it, but its the principle - they use electronic notes not paper so no doubt they'll scan it in and bin it! She did at least listen to Patrick's chest but seemed scared the whole time that Patrick would leap at her! Gave her abs and steroid jab - I could see the abs bottle said Baytril, but when I asked what the other one was she just said 'steroids'. (She also guesstimated the weight even though I questioned that). I held Pat while she jabbed her, then noticed she had some fluid on her fur. I asked the vet if the jab missed and she said "just a little bit - we always put a bit more in the syringe in case, it doesn't matter that much". Then she gave her oral abs and said they didn't have any oral steroids(!), but if she didn't get better to go back and they'd sort out a mix of some other drugs. £38! (Bet she's hoping I will go back at that cost!)

    I admit I was a wimp - should've questioned more and pushed more but didn't feel knowledgable enough. If she doesn't improve I think I'll take her elsewhere.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeMay 27th, 2008 9:49pm (May 27th 2008)
     
    Did the vet do anything for Jayden today Red? I asked on another thread so if you've already answered ignore this! Shame your vet is so far away - he sounds like a bargain!
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      CommentAuthorneil
    • CommentTimeMay 27th, 2008 10:20pm (May 27th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    It was time for Jayden to be put to sleep...
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      CommentAuthorTori
    • CommentTimeMay 28th, 2008 11:35am (May 28th 2008)
     
    Awwww R.I.P Jayden. Maybe Jayden will be reunited with Martha :heart::heartbounce: group hhuugggggggg :grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:
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      CommentAuthorAce
    • CommentTimeMay 28th, 2008 12:31pm (May 28th 2008)
     
    Sorry to hear about that. R.I.P Jayden.:cry:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeMay 28th, 2008 3:09pm (May 28th 2008)
     
    O, I'm so sorry, Red. Thinking of you...:heart: