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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJul 14th, 2015 4:44am (Jul 14th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Ah, awesome cover story! :smile:

    I don't know if they sell them as feeders, or if they sell easier when they're so small because they look cuter? I asked this pet shop if they ever stocked mice once (a while ago though) and they said they didn't stock mice because a lot of people bought them for snake food. They have such little knowledge about the animals they sell that it could also just be idiocy, and trusting a breeder who says they are older / are ready for sale very young.

    I'm gonna do a blog post about our ratty foster once we have a name picked. I wish the Mamble was here so the cage could look more impressive :smile: Too many people get rats from bad breeders or pet shops and are given terrible advice, or just don't know any better. They're kept alone, or in hamster cages (often sold as being suitable for rats) and I've only seen one pet shop that keeps their rats on paper bedding and not wood shavings.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJul 16th, 2015 7:35pm (Jul 16th 2015)
     
    There is some fantastic info on the internet - I only read a fraction of it - so if you can share some knowledge on your blog too the pet rat population will be very happy! I found a fantastic 'recipe' book for rats. If I can remember what it was called I'll let you know. It can only be bought as a PDF from the author but it was about mixing your own dry-mix so that it was balanced and about feeding them veg, cooking etc. The more info is shared the more informed people will become.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJul 17th, 2015 6:07pm (Jul 17th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I think I'm going to try fleece bedding after this cleanout, in a few days time. No idea how that will go! Or how I'll manage to clean the little sod out...I imagine the whole experience will terrify him, break our trust and possibly result in a bite. Ah well, all we can do is try and see how it goes :smile:

    rant: am struggling at the moment. I hate being like this.

    *sigh* I've taken these meds religiously for six months and they haven't done a thing...I am so coming off them.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJul 17th, 2015 6:12pm (Jul 17th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Hey I just thought, I bet a lot of the dog recipes we use will be good for rats, too. There are some ice cube recipes I want to try (forgotten what they're called) where you smush up cooked vegetables with water and then freeze them in an ice cube tray. Supposed to be great for hot days, and I bet they would keep ratties entertained a lot longer than dogs! :bigsmile:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJul 17th, 2015 8:11pm (Jul 17th 2015)
     
    If you have a small pet carrier use that - I would put some treats in so that Patrick and Molly would go in, then I could remove them to clean. Or, if it's multi-level, do the top while he's downstairs then encourage him upstairs. Be careful he doesn't 'guard' his cage though - Patrick used to try to bite me when I was cleaning. It was her way of saying "get off"!

    Fleece was great because it's so quick to change - he'll need a litter tray too though - and quick to wash and dry. I bought Ikea fleeces - they cost about £2 and I could cut in half to make 2 lots.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJul 18th, 2015 11:22am (Jul 18th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Ooh a carrier is a good idea, we use that method when transporting Iden from place to place.

    I need to look up how to use fleece for rats...do you just use fleece, or do you need a towel underneath like for guinea pigs? Is the litter tray where they toilet? Do I need to teach this beforehand?

    I am a fleece newbie :blush:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJul 20th, 2015 11:55pm (Jul 20th 2015)
     
    I just used a piece of folded fleece so that it's double thickness with a corner litter tray. Can't remember what litter I used - wood pellets I think but google it. Grit litter is bad because of the dust potential. It takes a little bit of time for them to get used to it, but if you put it where he usually toilets (they tend to have a favourite place) and put some of his poo pellets in there for smell. Some rats never get it, and mine would still pee and poop elsewhere sometimes, but the majority was in the tray. Fleece washes and dries really quickly (have you got a machine? Spin it as fast as your machine will allow then it dries quicker too). I didn't think it smelt as much as other methods but a lot of the time it depends on the rat. Worth a try!!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJul 24th, 2015 10:59am (Jul 24th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Thanks Kate :) I bought some new fleece in today, so will give it a wash a few times then give it to Archie.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJul 24th, 2015 8:15pm (Jul 24th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    rant: allergy-type-things! I've been really worried I'm allergic to Archie, as since bringing him home I've had a horribly itchy throat, nose and eyes...to the point where my eyes go bright red and the vision goes blurry for the rest of the night. Then today I realised it could also be the flowers that Lyle bought me haha, so we will have to wait and see...

    Could just be general summer allergies too. Who knows?
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJul 25th, 2015 4:48pm (Jul 25th 2015)
     
    Archie's eyes are red. Is he allergic to you...? Hope you feel better soon. Does summer always do this to you? Are you living closer to fields/woods/trees?
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJul 25th, 2015 6:07pm (Jul 25th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I hope not, that wouldn't work out well for either of us :tooth: Thanks CC :)

    I used to think I had colds every summer, now I assume it was allergies. There are fields right behind our house, which could be adding to it too. Ah well, not too long left of summer now!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJul 26th, 2015 8:31pm (Jul 26th 2015)
     
    I couldn't post anything yesterday - it kept telling me it couldn't validate my information. I messaged Neil from the 'contact us' link so he either fixed it (in which case thank you very very much!) or it's resolved itself. I tried to post to 3 or 4 threads but couldn't, and now I can't remember what I wanted to say!!! Oh well, I'm sure it wasn't important stuff anyway.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJul 26th, 2015 9:31pm (Jul 26th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Hey I had issues with the forum yesterday too, just after I'd finished posting though thankfully :smile: It logged me out, and every time I tried to log in it took me back to the 'you are not logged in' bit. Glad it's fixed now :smile:

    rant: stupid eyes! They itch at the most random times, before it was only in the living room, today it was the bedroom. It only happens once a day, sometimes twice. Showering helped get rid of it almost instantly, so I assume it is allergies.

    My eeeeyes, pleeeease stop itching!!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeAug 16th, 2015 8:21pm (Aug 16th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    rant: Zoey has hurt her front leg somehow :(

    Could have happened a few different ways, but she's not happy walking on it...she is bearing weight on it though, so the likelihood of a break is really rare. There are no bumps or cuts and she doesn't mind us touching it at all. It's improved today, but she's staying in a pen to minimise her movement. She didn't get a walk all day yesterday either and she is NOT HAPPY!!!

    We've been rotating her chew toys (two antlers and five Nylabones) to try keep her busy, she had her kibble out of a puzzle feeder, AND she's had four Kongs stuffed with different things...still not happy :sarcastic:

     photo limp2_zps4ji8bliy.jpg

    If it's not vastly improved or gone by Tuesday, to the vets it is...no idea how that would go when she gets so excited and hyped up over people :fierce:
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeAug 17th, 2015 3:47am (Aug 17th 2015)
     
    I hope it will be all better by Tuesday so she won't have to go to the Vet..poor little Zoey. :face-sad:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeAug 17th, 2015 10:51am (Aug 17th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Thanks Lynn :) I posted on my blog about Zoey's limp (most my followers have dogs of their own and have more experience than me, so I thought I'd fish for thoughts / ideas!) and everyone who replied said they would give it longer before going the vet route, as strains can take a long time to heal...keep her on bed rest and take her in if it gets any worse seemed to be the general consensus. So we might give her until Wed / Thurs before the dreaded vet, providing it gets no worse.

    She's much louder and much sadder in her pen today...she has a new rotation of toys and a Kong filled with all sorts of things, but she has little interest in them. She cleared the Kong of beans but has left the larger treats in there. Now she is stood at the pen wall whining
    :(
    I feel like I am on restricted exercise too, I haven't been out the house in three days since she started limping. The pen Zoey's in is only 3ft high and we don't want to leave her alone in case she tries / manages to jump out. We don't want to leave her in her crate because that just seems too cruel...no exercise in over two days so stay in a tiny cage!!

    I am sick of her whining already though :rolling:

    Oh well, it's for her own good. She's done so little walking it's hard to know if her limp has improved, although Lyle said it had when he took her out to the toilet.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeAug 17th, 2015 5:56pm (Aug 17th 2015)
     
    As long as you make lots of fuss of her (and Kasp too, of course) she ought to forgive her solitary confinement.:face-smile: Had she been running and changing direction suddenly? Poor Zoe,I hope she's better soon...for all your sakes!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeAug 17th, 2015 8:40pm (Aug 17th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Thanks CC :) I can think of a few times it *could* have happened, but I don't know for sure...could have been as we were taking some shelves down, Zoey stood on them and they see-sawed, causing her to skid and jump off. Just weird she didn't limp the rest of the day and started the day after...

    She has been SO NOISY today, aaagh! I emptied out the toy bin and gave her toys she hasn't seen in literally 2+ years, and she looked at them and turned her nose up :rolling: From when I've seen her walk her limp seems better though :smile:

     photo limp4_zps6ubnil4w.jpg

    You have SO MANY toys Zoey, stop whinging!!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeAug 17th, 2015 11:48pm (Aug 17th 2015)
     
    Maybe it's her shoulder. If she twisted slightly oddly then she might've strained it and it wouldn't have shown up straight away. Maybe you could let her toddle around the house to keep her occupied?
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeAug 18th, 2015 2:47pm (Aug 18th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Unfortunately when we let her out the pen so she can settle free in the room she either starts chasing her tail (she hasn't had a walk for over three whole days now...), throws her toys around and does her crazy chase after them, or tries to steal things off tables / shelves / the stairs. She has so much energy that any more freedom and she's like a wind up toy being released!

    Her limp is much better again today, sometimes you can't see it at all! Can not wait until we can exercise her...apparently you have to be careful not to rush back into it though, otherwise she might re-injure herself and it will take longer to heal :fierce:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeAug 21st, 2015 12:20am (Aug 21st 2015)
     
    We've decided I'm jinxed when it comes to getting anywhere!

    On Tuesday we decided to go to Wales to see an Aquaduct (a big one with an unspellable and unpronouncable name!) Left home at about 9.20am. Got on the M6 a couple of minutes away from home. An hour and a half later we got off the M6 - one junction further on (approx 4 miles). We turned around and came home. An accident had closed 2 lanes 3 junctions further on - we worked out it would take approx 4 hours to get there, and then we'd be stuck in the rush hour(s!) traffic on the way back - the M6 is an absolute nightmare.
    On Wednesday we had to go 2 junctions on the M42 - it was down to crawling pace and took 45 minutes.
    Today I went to visit a friend in Coventry. The route was really easy - straight up the Coventry Rd, left at an island with a car dealer, right at the next road ... easy. Except a HGV had overturned, Coventry Rd was closed and it took me ages to find a route around.
    Hubby says I can't have the same time off as him again (the weather is always bad when I'm off too) and if I am off I can't take him anywhere! :)
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeAug 21st, 2015 1:08am (Aug 21st 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    That is some tremendous (bad) luck. Reminds me of the time my parents drove up and stayed over in a nearby hotel, so we could all go to Blackpool Pleasure Beach the next day. I haven't been to a theme park since before we got dogs! On the day as they were driving to us their car broke down, and we had to cancel the entire thing :rolling:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeAug 21st, 2015 1:09am (Aug 21st 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    rant: had Zoey out tonight and did lots of training. Worked on muzzle training (I'm using the bottom of a plastic pop bottle), body handling,teeth checking, chin rests...was very fun and to say she was so hyper she handled herself very well.

    Then I stacked the couch cushions on the floor, two on top of each other. Have you ever seen dog balance balls / discs? They're really good for strengthening muscles and gentle recovery from injuries. Anyway, I will buy one (or get one for my birthday), but for now the cushions work really well!

    We did lots of work with it - omb Zoey was SO happy and really enjoyed herself!! We worked on a new trick (saying her prayers - stood with her back legs on the floor, front legs spread out on the cushions as if she's lying down :rolling: ) and I marked and rewarded her for any behaviour she offered on the cushions...lying down, sitting, waving. Was awesome :smile:

    Anyway, later we decided we would take her for a five minute walk. We figured we could use the front clip on her harness so that she wouldn't be able to pull (I can't blame her for pulling, she hasn't been walked in six days!!).

    We got outside and because Zoey has such a gigantic head ( :tooth: ) the harness was really baggy on the front. When she moved forwards, because the lead was attached to the front of the harness, it twisted sideways...so we had to attach the lead to the back, Zoey pulled madly, and we rushed home. I highly doubt we were out for more than two minutes. Now she has a very (VERY) slight limp...I know (well, hope) it will probably be gone by tomorrow, but I am annoyed with myself...I rushed it. I hope I haven't made it worse
    :sad:

    I was gonna get to leave the house tomorrow too, to go pick up a pushchair (think doggy wheelchair!)...if Zoey's limp is any worse I'll have to stay indoors again and Lyle will go on his own.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeAug 21st, 2015 3:34pm (Aug 21st 2015)
     
    O I hope she gets better soon, Red. Although I would pay quite a bit to see you pushing her in a pushchair..:rolling:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeAug 21st, 2015 9:31pm (Aug 21st 2015)
     
    Poor Zoey - it must just be a sprain or strain and they can hang around for a while.

    Went to the chip shop this evening and guess what - the road was closed off on the way back by the Police! Luckily it was from the junction I needed to turn at so I was OK for a change. (Rumour is that someone stole a motorbike and the owner jumped in their car and chased him and either knocked him off or he crashed trying to get away).
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeAug 22nd, 2015 5:31pm (Aug 22nd 2015)
     
    Blimey Kate, you do have bad luck with roads, don't you? Let me know if you ever move this way...I'll make sure I'm only out when you're in!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeAug 22nd, 2015 6:02pm (Aug 22nd 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Thanks CC :rainbow: Her leg has definitely improved a lot, and by the time we took her up to bed after her walk she'd already stopped limping *phew*

    It's a week today that she first limped, so she's not done bad :smile: I'm happier than I was this time last week haha! This morning she went craaazy, so we had a pretty rough play session...I kept it in our bedroom, which is tiny, so she couldn't sprint too much. But we flung toys about, wrestled, she sprinted about and jumped on and off the furniture - NO limp at all!! :woohoo:

    She was also absolutely shattered afterwards and when Lyle came back with Kasper Zoey just lay on the bed panting! :rolling:

    Yes Kate, at least the limp only shows up after strenuous exercise...touch wood she'll be better in no time :)
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeAug 22nd, 2015 6:02pm (Aug 22nd 2015)
     
    Poor little Zoey, I hope her limp will go away soon, so she can go for walks again.

    Kate, you do have the worst luck with the roads around there.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeAug 22nd, 2015 6:03pm (Aug 22nd 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Oh CC, we do indeed have a pushchair / pram now :rolling:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeAug 22nd, 2015 6:05pm (Aug 22nd 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Hi Lynn! *waves* :)

    Thank you, she is doing much better now. In fact we didn't see her limp at all yesterday, and not so far today...I just don't want to rush her out on a walk and make her sore again!!
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeAug 22nd, 2015 6:33pm (Aug 22nd 2015)
     
    Hi Red!!:cheer: I'm so glad to hear that Zoe's limp seems to be gone. If you take it slow she should be alright to go for short walks again now??
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeAug 22nd, 2015 6:45pm (Aug 22nd 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Hi!! And thank you :bigsmile: I think we're beginning walks tomorrow...the problem is that she will pull like crazy because she hasn't been walked in a week haha. Today we are doing balance sessions (yes, with couch cushions :rolling: ) and trotting around the house at speed. We are permitting short running bursts too...so far no limp!! :woohoo:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd, 2015 12:36am (Aug 23rd 2015)
     
    It's getting unbelievable now. Took me 50 mins to get back from rehoming (twice as long as usual) because ... of traffic on the motorway. The signs said there was an accident but all I saw was one car in the layby being recovered. I might just lock myself in the house and not go anywhere!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd, 2015 4:15pm (Aug 23rd 2015)
     
    We need pics of the pushchair! With passenger, of course...
    Kate, you are CURSED, woman! :rolling: You'd better buy a scooter. Or a skateboard...
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd, 2015 7:37pm (Aug 23rd 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Hahaha I started training her around it yesterday CC, just marking and rewarding her for stepping into the seat bit. She did good but didn't understand that I wanted her to sit *in* the seat...she'll get there
    :)
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeAug 25th, 2015 9:22pm (Aug 25th 2015)
     
    I know CC but maybe some good karma will follow and I'll win the lottery!!!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeAug 26th, 2015 5:24pm (Aug 26th 2015)
     
    Well don't buy a car with it...:rolling:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeAug 26th, 2015 9:19pm (Aug 26th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    rant: the off lead dog that charged Zoey. She doesn't need any more traumatic experiences with dogs, especially not with large white dogs...they just happen to be the ones she is most afraid of :sad:

    The owner did apologise, but the damage was done. I dread to think what would have happened if the dog had attacked her...

    We walk on the streets. We avoid popular off lead areas for dogs unless it's very late or early. If there are off lead dogs we call ahead to get their dogs on lead. We do all this and it's never enough.

    I wish we had leash laws, and that lead laws on the streets in the UK were better enforced...
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeSep 2nd, 2015 6:30pm (Sep 2nd 2015)
     
    We have leash laws here, but they don't do much good..people still just let their dogs run around.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 3rd, 2015 1:05pm (Sep 3rd 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    People here seem to think that *every* dog needs to be off lead, and that it's their right to run free...which is fine if the dog is well socialised and well trained...but when people let bad mannered, rude and aggressive dogs off lead it's stupid. I don't know which is worse, an aggressive dog tearing about the place or an untrained dog that ignores recall and runs onto roads...we see both frequently here :(

    Lyle saw a stray Staffy yesterday when he was out with Kasper. He turned around and brought Kasper back inside (I really don't trust stray dogs) and we went looking for it, but it had disappeared. Hope it found its way home.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeSep 3rd, 2015 11:56pm (Sep 3rd 2015)
     
    That reminds me of a story my brother in law told me. He was out walking their dog and saw a stray. He took his dog home (it was only a few doors away) and went back to look for it. He saw a police car which stopped, he explained about the stray, and they accused him of being a shoplifter they'd been chasing! Luckily they believed him but didn't offer to help. Then the dog went on a neighbour's garden and the man came out and shouted at him for letting 'his' dog on his garden. Paul tried to explain but the man continued to shout at him. Then he went and knocked on the door of someone who does grooming and they came out and tried to help too, but the dog had disappeared. He said next time he'll go home and close the door behind him and let someone else chase the strays!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 4th, 2015 1:30pm (Sep 4th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Hahahahaha omb!! :rolling: When our dog was being pestered by an off lead Beagle (no owner in sight) the Beagle then shot off and began bouncing on another dog. The owner gave us such a filthy look and yelled at us to get our dog and we had to say 'sorry but he's not ours either!'

    When me and a friend were about 14 we were walking back to her house from a cafe and there was a huge dog straying - he was gorgeous!! He was also by a very busy main road, so we thought we'd best take him back to our friend's house and her mum could help us figure out what to do.

    We'd been walking maybe five minutes with the dog between us and we heard yelling from behind. Turned around and it was this woman; she came storming up, grabbed the dog's collar and gave us such a telling off for 'stealing' her dog!!! We tried to explain he had been straying on a road, but woah was she angry!

    Just the other day when we picked up the second hand pushchair we saw a little dog straying, a Yorkie. I wanted to go catch it and see if it had tags on its collar, or take it to a vets, but we were in an area we didn't know and our bus was due in a few minutes. The dog wandered off round the corner and out of sight, and a few minutes later it started bucketing it down...I felt so bad, thinking of the little stray dog dripping wet
    :(
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeSep 4th, 2015 9:14pm (Sep 4th 2015)
     
    I'm sure he found somewhere to shelter - maybe his owner was there and he'd wandered away and then thought oops, better go home!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 5th, 2015 8:22pm (Sep 5th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I hope so...I always feel terrible for stray dogs. If either of my dogs ever got out I'd be so worried :(
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 8th, 2015 10:08pm (Sep 8th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    rant: we've used Asda's online food shopping for quite a while now, as our local supermarket is tiny and either doesn't have much in stock or only sells the ridiculously expensive brands. We've had a few issues with Asda but have never complained...we've had items completely missing from our shop (they've been on our receipt, but aren't in our shop and haven't been replaced / refunded) and we've had drivers arrive early, but they've always contacted us to make sure it's okay.

    Last week we had a delivery due; they give you a two hour slot and they arrive during those two hours. We had our friend over and were taking Raiden out for a short walk; the shopping wasn't due for 35 minutes and we'd easily be back by then.

    We got to the end of our road and our friend saw an Asda delivery van parked behind our house, and as we approached it we could hear Kasper barking...SERIOUSLY?!

    First of all this is incredibly annoying as the kitchen is Kasper's safe room, and we really try to avoid having people knock on our back door when he's in there as he gets worked up.

    But secondly the fact they turned up early, without letting us know in any way, was dangerous as the delivery man let himself in through our garden gate. As we weren't prepared for them to be there for at least another half hour, our dogs could easily have been out in the garden playing...if he'd come into the garden they could have escaped, been hit by a car and Kasper would have been scared to find a man in the garden. It would have really set his training back.

    I emailed Asda saying this wasn't good enough six days ago, and they neglected to send a response at all. They did change the settings on our online shopping profile so that we get free delivery for our orders for a month...they did this without telling us, with no apologies, and we only get a shop in once every few weeks anyway. The delivery price is usually £1 - £3, so Asda have given us about £5 by way of apology...and without actually apologising.

    Fantastic customer service Asda; we'll be emailing you again and will most definitely not order our shopping through you anymore.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeSep 9th, 2015 8:03pm (Sep 9th 2015)
     
    Have you got a sign on your gate - "loose dog, do not enter" that sort of thing? Just to play devil's advocate, I know it's really annoying for you, but from a minimum wage driver point of view he probably thought he was doing you a favour (we're always happy when our Tesco delivery arrives early) though we do get a call first. His phone could've been dead/no service, and I have a feeling someone said they have to use their own phone, but that could've been another supermarket. He wouldn't know you were training Kasper and I know ignorance is no excuse but he'd have just been thinking about getting through his deliveries a bit quicker, and maybe he thought you just hadn't heard him knock as he was a bit early.

    However, at the end of the day he should've called, or not arrived early, and not entered without permission. Personally I could excuse all that, but not the lack of apology from customer services. It doesn't take a lot to say we're really sorry, here's a small token etc.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 10th, 2015 11:56am (Sep 10th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I can understand arriving 10 minutes early...but not over half an hour. They give you a two hour slot for a reason (it's not like it's a small amount of time!) and if they're gonna arrive outside of that, they should let you know. Sure most people would be fine with shopping arriving early and no notification, but it doesn't mean everyone would be and there are rules in place for a reason. If any of my dogs had got out, there would be hell to pay...saying "oh but my phone was dead" would be no excuse.

    We can't put a sign up because it's not 'our' gate, and we DO want people using that gate for specific deliveries. For example shopping, takeaways etc...we only tell people to use the rear door when we're in and know when they're going to arrive. That way we can have Kasper in a different room, have treats ready etc. Any deliveries where we don't have an exact day / time (eg. amazon orders) come to the front.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeSep 10th, 2015 10:39pm (Sep 10th 2015)
     
    I'm pretty sure with Tesco you can add a message or instruction - can you do that with Asda? If not maybe when you mail them again you ask for it to be added to your account?
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 11th, 2015 1:00pm (Sep 11th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I'll have to look into it. Co-op have fallen out of favour as well - four days ago Lyle bought a cheese & onion slice from them, and a few mouthfuls in discovered there were huge pieces of chicken in it
    :gasp:
    It clearly stated on the packaging that it was cheese and onion, and it had a suitable for veggies symbol. We sent them an email but they haven't replied.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeSep 13th, 2015 8:13pm (Sep 13th 2015)
     
    Oh no, that is really bad. Look forward to that reply.

    We've had a bad time this weekend with Tesco. Delivery booked for between 9 and 10. At 10.15 hubby (who was at work) had a message on his phone saying the van had broken down. He sent the number to Danny (son) who called and was told it had broken down, they would redeliver but couldn't give a time, would someone be in all day. He said yes. At 5.30 I was fed up so called. No answer. Or the next 3 tries. So called customer service. They said we should've been told this morning that the delivery had been cancelled. I said so when is it coming and he said oh, you still want it? !!!! I said of course and he said they could deliver tomorrow, unless I wanted to go to the Coventry store to collect. It's about a 40min drive from here and I'd no idea exactly where so said no (despite the offer of vouchers - why do they think a voucher is so great?!) So they arranged it for between 12 and 1 today.

    An hour later our home phone rang (which we don't usually answer) and they said they'd be here between 9 and 10pm! It duly arrived. At 12 noon today guess what - the same driver arrived with our delivery and was surprised when my son said no thanks, you delivered it yesterday. Couldn't organise a party in a brewery! :)
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 14th, 2015 10:03pm (Sep 14th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    What is the point of giving bl**dy time estimates if they can't even stick to them?! I mean, okay if they let you know they're gonna be 30 - 60 minutes late, but changing it from 1pm to 10pm is absolutely ridiculous.

    You should have taken the second delivery :rolling:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeSep 15th, 2015 10:00pm (Sep 15th 2015)
     
    They've charged us for both - takes 5 days to refund. Funny how they say they don't take payment until after delivery as been made, but refuse delivery and they still take the money and hang on to it for a week!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 17th, 2015 10:26pm (Sep 17th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    rant: the 'puppy party' was absolutely abysmal. Shockingly bad. Will post about it tomorrow when I'm not so GRRRR...
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeSep 17th, 2015 10:40pm (Sep 17th 2015)
     
    THey always are - don't know why the vets bother. It's usually just a couple of disinterested nurses and a load of frustrated owners!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 18th, 2015 1:11am (Sep 18th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    It was sooo bad. The puppies (seven, all under 12 weeks) were left to play off lead for AN HOUR!! There were no breaks in the play, no 'calm down' moments, they were just left to their own devices...what?!

    We started with Rey on our laps, sat on chairs, and rewarded him for watching the other puppies play, as he was nervous. The vet nurse immediately told us to put him on the ground, so I said "Oh, we're just going to hold him and feed him treats for a while". She said "He'll gain confidence much faster if you put him on the ground." [no he won't, that's called flooding!!] Lyle said, "We know what we're doing, thank you."

    After a few minutes Raiden was doing better, so I sat on the floor with him on my knee. Cue weird looks as everyone else was sat on chairs not interacting with the puppies. When Raiden first went off my lap he felt safe hiding under the chairs, but when another puppy dived on him he was scared. I couldn't get to him because of the other bl**dy people sat on the chairs, and nobody helped him out because they weren't paying attention and anyway, it's 'best to let them work it out for themselves'!! :sarcastic:

    Finally got Rey back to me and he gained confidence. He played with a little JRT cross and they had fun. He then gained more confidence and played with the bigger pups (who really were very big). I picked him up a few times to calm him down when play got rough, because nobody else was stepping in! Part way through there was a knock on the locked door and one of the nurses yelled "Everybody grab the nearest puppy!" -WTF?!

    Seriously, the owners just grabbed whatever puppy was closest, which included a little girl grabbing a puppy that didn't know her! :gasp: You better believe I made sure I was the one to get Rey!!

    More playing followed and we got comments because Raiden's a really vocal player (yes, my puppy makes noise, well done...). We then said we wanted to take him out to the toilet, which for some reason annoyed the vet nurse...I'm sorry I don't want my puppy peeing indoors like those other two have already done!

    Rey did a wee and a poo, had a pootle and some training to calm down, and then we came back in. We said we'd leave within five minutes. By this time the puppies had been playing non-stop for thirty minutes, so they were very aroused and rough - most training / socialisation classes have the puppies play in 2 - 15 minute bursts, then cool off time. Raiden was very excited too.

    Inside he played with the bigger pups but then started humping a Lab pup, which I interrupted and redirected. Cue the ******* nurse talking about "dominance"...and I couldn't take it anymore. The other owners were soaking everything she said up!! So I said "actually humping is usually the result of a dog being too over-excited, and they simply don't know what else to do. Some dogs do it as a form of play too." Then we said Raiden was pretty overly tired and asked to leave, which peed her off again!

    The entire 35 minutes we were there, one longhaired puppy sat under his owners' chair and trembled. There was no talk of treats (in fact we were the only people that brought treats!) and the owners didn't interact / reassure him once. Any time another puppy went to say hi, or if they accidentally ran into him whilst playing, he would cower or snap at them. His owners were told over and over that 'it's completely normal, next week will be better, he'll get over it' etc. I wanted to tell his owners so bad that they were flooding him and it could scar him for life :face-crying:

    I was really p***ed off with myself earlier; I was furious. I'm still in a horrible mood now, but more with the stupid vet staff than myself. I already hate the whole 'vets only need to know dog health, not dog behaviour / training' issue, but when they give training advice or RUN A PUPPY CLASS that's stupid, ridiculous and bang out of order.

    I don't know whether to email them and say that we're dog trainers, and that dominance has been scientifically debunked, yet the staff at this surgery were telling puppy owners it was a real 'threat'...I would love to email them and leave bad reviews everywhere, but unfortunately we've found a good vet at this surgery and I don't want them treating my dogs any differently. Especially as Kasper can be nervous, and what if we had to leave a dog there (like for Raiden's neuter?) and they were horrible to him because we owned him :sad:

    Bleh. I don't know where we'll take him for puppy-on-puppy socialisation now, the training class we went to watch only had one puppy there and I'm struggling to find anything else. Uuugh.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 18th, 2015 1:23am (Sep 18th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Oh also when our friend took his mouse there a few weeks back, because his mouse had a lump, the vet examined the mouse in the room when there was a cat in a carrier in the same room. The cat was being noisy and the mouse was very aware of the cat's presence. The vet then said they couldn't diagnose what the lump was because the mouse wouldn't hold still.

    And people wonder why I really, really don't trust vets...
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeSep 18th, 2015 7:11pm (Sep 18th 2015)
     
    And I wonder why you don't run a puppy class yourselves; you're knowledgeable, empathetic and seriously fond of creatures in general. Hire the village hall and GO FOR IT!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeSep 18th, 2015 8:58pm (Sep 18th 2015)
     
    Could you write to the vets and tell them your experience with training and offer to run a couple of sessions for them? I'm sure you could do a better job than the nurses. I don't know why vet staff think they know everything - I've stood behind people and heard the nurses give some terrible advice about cats but there's not a lot I can do for the same reasons as you.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 19th, 2015 5:32pm (Sep 19th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Haha that would at least solve the problem of there not being any puppy socialisation places about CC, although I'm not sure how I'd make sure Raiden was doing okay and running a class at the same time :rolling:

    Kate that's not a bad idea, although I'm 99% certain they'd say no, and might argue that they're up to date with their doggy knowledge :sarcastic: The surgery apparently offers a training class too, I dread to think what that's like :sarcastic: I might wait a few weeks before contacting them so that Raiden's a bit older and, on the off chance they would be willing to learn a few things, we could leave him for longer.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 20th, 2015 6:07pm (Sep 20th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    rant: walking Raiden today this guy starts giving us advice (because 'he's had terriers 50 years') and there was no point arguing with him but having to stand and listen was bad enough...my favourite bit of advice was "whatever you do, don't get him neutered...it just takes all the character out of them and they end up fat and lifeless"...wish someone would tell Kasper and Zoey that :rolling: :tooth: :rofl:

    He also yanked Raiden's longline and pulled him by his tail (Get. Off. My. Puppy. NOW!) which really, really annoyed me and could have set Raiden's socialisation back...thankfully Rey wasn't scared, and as he had lots of slack lead he just took himself away and enjoyed sniffing the grass and the plants. The moron didn't get to interact with him again - good!

    second rant: the training class we were going to take Rey to (which is called Puppy Socialisation Class) doesn't actually let the puppies play with each other at all...apparently it's 'more to teach the puppies how to focus around distractions'...well, okay, that's all well and good but interaction is also crucial and you can hardly call it a socialisation class if they don't socialise can you?!

    Soooo we might go to a few classes to work on distractions, but we're gonna have to find another way to socialise him *sigh*

    Today we got the number for a local village hall and we're gonna give them a ring to see if they'd let us hire it once a week for a puppy socialisation class (what do you think CC?! :bigsmile:). Word might not get around in time to be of use to Raiden, but I'd like to provide a class based on positive reinforcement and socialisation.

    I can advise owners how to help any scaredy puppies to avoid flooding, and I could take novelty items such as rubber floor matting and the pop up tent.

    We're probably taking a bit too much on which is daft, but if we could get a few puppies within the next few weeks it would be good for Rey, and Lyle could mostly supervise him whilst I could maybe help out any other puppy owners. Only issue is I think most will choose the vet's class as vets are deemed more knowledgeable :/
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeSep 20th, 2015 7:16pm (Sep 20th 2015)
     
    Unless they've been to the vets class and found out how awful they are (last person I know who had a puppy thought that and didn't go again). Word of mouth is what keeps those type of classes going. I'm wondering the the hall would like a load of puppies - just thinking of all the puddles!!! However it really is worth a try (with an offer to mop up any accidents?) as not everyone likes the same methods and yours is different to the other ones - vets seem to flood, and the other takes the opposite tack altogether. I think something pitched inbetween would be ideal.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeSep 21st, 2015 5:48pm (Sep 21st 2015)
     
    ...what do you think CC?!


    :crazy::yay_jump::woohoo::swingin::thumbup::thumbup1::cheer::cheerleader::clap:

    Terrible idea... :face-devil-grin::tooth:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 21st, 2015 6:35pm (Sep 21st 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Kate we need somewhere that's fairly local, but luckily there are plenty of village halls around here!! :tooth:

    A nearby village hall didn't pick up the phone today, but another one did and said they are happy for us to hold a group there :bigsmile: One's literally a few minutes' walk away and the others about fifteen minutes away. We told them we'd clean up any accidents and take an enzyme cleaner to be super thorough. I think we're gonna start hiring it weekly from next week so we can start advertising immediately, and if nobody turns up for a few months it's somewhere we can take our dogs and work in a new environment etc :smile:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeSep 21st, 2015 6:49pm (Sep 21st 2015)
     
    Will they charge you the same amount whether anyone comes or not, or are they happy for you to get established first? Have you got a local update page on Facebook? We have "Solihull Updates" - just wondering if there's something similar for your region where you could advertise. I wouldn't use your own Facebook page though - set up a 'business' one. (Bet you've already thought of all that though - good luck!)
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 21st, 2015 6:59pm (Sep 21st 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I imagine it'll just be a set amount, but it's only £12 an hour so we're happy to pay that even if we only use it with our dogs :rolling: We're still trying to ask the slightly closer village hall if they would let us use it / how much that would be too. Once we have a venue / day / time sorted I'll update out website, post on here, update our site's blog and try post a facebook page...I think I have one already but not sure if I made it right as a 'business' page or not...I don't know if we have a local facebook page. I think we have a local magazine thing, so could have a look for that, and post flyers on noticeboards, pet shop etc
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 22nd, 2015 8:13pm (Sep 22nd 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    rant: so we're walking Kasper and Zoey (on lead of course) and we need to go up a narrow stone staircase. I'm talking about 2ft wide. At the top of the stairs on a stone platform about 1ft high is a cat. Zoey sees the cat up there and is highly excited, and the stupid cat doesn't move / run. I get closer whilst telling it to bugger off...and it just sits there. We can't go up the stairs because if we get closer Zoey will jump at the cat and I don't want it to damage her eyes / scratch her, and there's no other way home.

    We dither for a few seconds, Zoey getting worked up and the cat still doesn't move. The stairs are too narrow for me to keep Zoey to the side of me, and even on the shortest lead she could jump up to the cat's level. I ask Lyle if he can see any rocks we can throw at the cat, but nope.

    Eventually got the cat to move by kicking the wall and making a loud noise. Cat bolts and we can continue with a really, really excited Zoey. Thankfully Kasper, who would catch and kill a cat and thoroughly enjoy it, wasn't on the stairs. He was further back and didn't see / notice the cat.

    Just today one of the dogs we walk got worked up because a cat kept running in front of it, ducking under a fence, then coming out further ahead and meowing loudly until the dog was excited, and repeat :sarcastic:

    The cats around here lay in the middle of the road (my dad almost hit one because it literally wouldn't move) and tease our dogs, to the point where they are pulling on lead and deaf to 'comands'. That, to me, isn't fair. Dogs are demanded to be well behaved and under control at all times (sure owners break this law, but it is a law)...cats don't need to follow any rules. And if one of our dogs had got that cat today because it refused to move, that would be our fault how?!


    I know most of you on the forum are cat lovers, so :rant:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd, 2015 8:49pm (Sep 23rd 2015)
     
    If you can come up with a foolproof method to train cats so that they don't sit in the road, tease dogs (cats don't assume dogs are a threat, especially if they live with one), poop just before a visitor arrives, vomit in the middle of the room just as said guest sits down, and wake you up at 4am to go out I'll do it. In fact, thinking about it the only thing going for them is their looks, but they've got that off to a tee!
    :face-devil-grin:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 24th, 2015 12:46pm (Sep 24th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Haha! The fact cats are allowed free-roam annoys me...they poo in people's garden, kill wild animals and run in front of cars. If dogs were still allowed out unsupervised and did that people wouldn't stand for it.

    There's a garden around here by the side of a path with a sign saying 'THIS IS NOT A DOGGY TOILET', and I always assumed gross dog owners let their dogs poo there without picking it up - and I'd get annoyed with that too! - then the other day walking past there was a huge ginger cat taking a dump there! The poo was MASSIVE too, dog-sized, so I bet it's the cat leaving 'presents' and dogs get blamed :sarcastic:

    A couple years back there was a cat that must have lived with a dog, and it would try come up to say hi to Kasper. Kasper would be going *bonkers*, and he seriously would have killed it, and we had a right time keeping the cat away from him. Yet if he'd managed to kill that cat, we'd have been ordered to keep him on a short lead and muzzled for his walks - really??
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeSep 24th, 2015 12:47pm (Sep 24th 2015)
     
    Don't forget bursting a sparrow in the music room seconds before the RSPCA lady comes to see if I'm a fit mother for rabbits. I could've done without that.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 24th, 2015 12:50pm (Sep 24th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Posted By: chief chickenDon't forget bursting a sparrow in the music room seconds before the RSPCA lady comes to see if I'm a fit mother for rabbits. I could've done without that.


    Kasper finding a half-dead pigeon and running around a field with it twitching limply in his mouth was fun...lots of horrified looks from other dog owners. I had to smile weakly and say "well we won't have a feed him breakfast now!" :rolling:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 24th, 2015 12:55pm (Sep 24th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    rant: ordered a puppy pen from amazon yesterday and paid extra for next-day delivery, so it would arrive before 1pm. Cancelled Raiden's vet appointment and haven't walked the adult dogs, so we could be in. Rest of the day is such a rush, but oh well at least we're in for the parcel...five minutes to one and it's not arrived, aaaargh!!!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeSep 24th, 2015 7:04pm (Sep 24th 2015)
     
    So what time did it finally get there?
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 24th, 2015 8:56pm (Sep 24th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    It was only half an hour late, so not too bad. Annoying that we could have got Raiden's vet appointment over with though...gotta wait until tomorrow now for his last jab and microchip *gulp* :beurk:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeSep 25th, 2015 8:26pm (Sep 25th 2015)
     
    But it all turned out well in the end! Glad Raiden did so well at the vets. Who's the pen for?
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeSep 26th, 2015 5:50pm (Sep 26th 2015)
     
    Lyle...:face-devil-grin:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 26th, 2015 9:12pm (Sep 26th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    He does spend a lot of time in there CC :P

    The pen's useful to split the dogs, so they kind of all share it...if we want one of them to chill out with a Kong they can go in the pen and the others can't steal / guard it! Or if we need to have both Rey and Zoey out, one goes in the pen. Or if Kasp and Zoey are playing non-stop, they are separated. And Zoey gets left in the pen seeing as she had her funny turn in her crate :smile:

    The shorter pen will come with us to puppy class to be used as a cool down area / barrier etc.

    We also have a mini-pen in the living room now, made from the smaller pen with a bed in it! This means we could have one dog free, one in the mini pen and one in the bigger one...woohoo peace & quiet :rolling:

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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 28th, 2015 8:24pm (Sep 28th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Today's rant: whyyy is it so warm?! It's the end of September, please cooool down!!!

    For some reason everyone loves the mini-pen :tooth:

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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeSep 28th, 2015 8:42pm (Sep 28th 2015)
     
    Perhaps they like the cosiness of it?

    It'll be cool soon enough - please don't wish it here any quicker!!!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 28th, 2015 9:10pm (Sep 28th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I swear it's normally cooler by now, this summer feels never-ending...I thought we'd be getting some nice sunny-but-cool days before the constant rain of winter, and instead it hit 19*C today!! Bring on the chill...

    I was looking for the kettle vanillacon that I'm sure we have, but all I could find was this: :chillpill: :rolling:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeSep 29th, 2015 3:37pm (Sep 29th 2015)
     
    :kettle: It's on the Standard vanillacons...third line down.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 29th, 2015 4:04pm (Sep 29th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Ah, wonderful! This is us all over at the minute, even the dogs don't want to walk quite so far in this heat :kettle:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 30th, 2015 3:10pm (Sep 30th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    :tearhair::_oh_really::thumbdown::rant_red2::beaker::cursing:
    rant: Lyle was walking Zoey, and he takes her to fields with livestock in so he doesn't have to worry about off lead dogs.

    Some idiot had a large Lab cross off lead in there. It was miles ahead of its owner so it ran to greet Zoey. He says Zoey did really well (we have put significant training into big dogs after she was attacked), she was very polite greeting and played a little.

    However then she was done and ready to move on, but the much larger dog wouldn't leave her alone and was bouncing in her face and on her back. The owner was miles behind so was no help. When the owner eventually called the dog away (with a ****ing irritating "Oh she just wants to play!" - that is NOT the point! You are wrecking Zoey's training, your dog is rude and what if the dog it had ran up to had been aggressive or disabled?!?!) she didn't put the dog on lead so it ran to Zoey a second time.

    Lyle shouted "Get your dog out of my dog's face, she doesn't want to play anymore."

    Zoey was an absolute star, but that interaction needed to be ended whilst she was still enjoying it...who knows how far this will have set us back :sad: This was in a field where there are farm animals - why was someone walking a dog off lead there?! I am fuming... :rant_red2:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeSep 30th, 2015 4:57pm (Sep 30th 2015)
     
    Probably incomers - we get a lot of 'em here, walking dogs off lead through livestock, leaving gates open...makes me furious. They've moved from big cities and have no idea how to behave.:face-sad:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeSep 30th, 2015 11:13pm (Sep 30th 2015)
     
    A friend has posted a truely awful piece on facebook from a pet rescue charity about their 11 year old dog who was attacked in a similar situation, firstly by one jack russell and then 3 or 4 others joined in. The dog (Billy) managed to slip is collar and ran away, was found a short time later, taken to a vet, but his injuries were too severe. So sad. They've appealed for donations to help pay for the emergency care and the police are currently trying to find the owner. It was a very similar situation - they were walking the dog on a lead on private land with the approval of the landowner. The other person and dogs were trespassing and off lead.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeOct 1st, 2015 10:06am (Oct 1st 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I think also, because there aren't too many good areas where dogs can be let off lead very close to our village, people just do it anywhere and everywhere...bit of a nightmare and very annoying!

    Kate that's really horrible, and my worst nightmare. Were the 3 or 4 dogs that joined in with the JRT or did they just join the fight? I've read a few instances where a dog fight happens and other dogs nearby get involved, it seems to be quite common...

    I've read the advice to drop the lead if a fight happens, so that your dog has room to try get away, which I understand but...what if your dog runs, the other catches him, and you're miles away and can't do anything?!

    Bleh, people....
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 1st, 2015 11:31pm (Oct 1st 2015)
     
    They were together - I think it was 3 JRTs and one other. I can understand the drop the lead thing - better the dog has a chance of escaping than it's forced to stay in one place while the loose dogs can do what they like. If your dog is chipped, even if it goes miles to escape you'll eventually get it back hopefully when a vet / dog warden picks it up. Also, your dog couldn't fight back if it's restrained - there's nothing you would be able to do against a group of other dogs and could be seriously injured too, then you'd be no use to your dog when it needed help. Would be a very hard thing to do though as instinct says to hang on.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd, 2015 9:33pm (Oct 3rd 2015)
     
    An old man brought a beautiful, friendly, well fed and well cared for cat into rehoming today. He said it had "walked into his garden and he's got dogs so was concerned about it's safety". The manager said he should take it back and let it go as it obviously has a home, but he refused. We had no choice but to take the cat off him - if we hadn't he could've just let it out anywhere and then it would've been in a worse position. It isn't chipped and no collar. I've posted it on Facebook in the hopes it's owner, or someone who recognises it, sees it and claims her back. What a horrible man.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 4th, 2015 3:39pm (Oct 4th 2015)
     
    What an arse! Someone's now worried sick about their poor cat. I hope they come and get the cat - and that you give them the name of the 'nice' man so they can thank him... :_oh_really:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeOct 4th, 2015 5:57pm (Oct 4th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Posted By: KatebAn old man brought a beautiful, friendly, well fed and well cared for cat into rehoming today. He said it had "walked into his garden and he's got dogs so was concerned about it's safety". The manager said he should take it back and let it go as it obviously has a home, but he refused. We had no choice but to take the cat off him - if we hadn't he could've just let it out anywhere and then it would've been in a worse position. It isn't chipped and no collar. I've posted it on Facebook in the hopes it's owner, or someone who recognises it, sees it and claims her back. What a horrible man.


    Not ideal...but I doubt the cat's owners would feel much better if the cat had been torn to shreds by his dogs :face-plain:

    What is the law if a cat comes into your garden and your dogs kill it? Can the cats owner report you to the dog warden, and have your dog classified as a dangerous dog? After a quick google it seems a few dog owners have had this problem, and their cat owning neighbours have threatened some of them with calling the police!! Many have even had to pay vet bills, if the cat needed to be PTS / an operation.

    I can understand that man's fear. Of course it's the cats' fault for going onto his property, but if his dogs killed it, they would be blamed. If one of my dogs killed a neighbour's cat I'd be terrified about complaints and petty vengeance...even if nothing happened it would make bumping into them very awkward!

    I walk my dogs on a lead, but there's still a chance they could catch a free-roaming cat, and somehow it'd be our fault. Look at my post from a few weeks ago, when the cat wouldn't move when Zoey was leaping at it...some cats just will not move, even when the dogs will very really hurt them!!

    Could the man have dealt with the situation better? Yes, very much so...but I don't see him as 'horrible'. He was protecting his dogs and the cat. Did he say if the cat frequented his garden a lot?

    Did he know where the cat lived? I guess if it didn't have any ID anywhere, he won't have...otherwise he could have gone and spoken with the cat's owner and warned them about his dogs, I guess.

    We're lucky where we live as even though there are lots of cats they don't go in the gardens, they usually hang out around the car park. I think a lot of the gardens here hold dogs, so they keep out...plus more people walk past the car park, which means more attention for them :smile:

    Kate you can set up a 'CAT FOUND' post on Preloved, I think, and probably other sites like that too...you can add photos and if the owner searches her area for any lost cats it will pop up.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 4th, 2015 9:34pm (Oct 4th 2015)
     
    My neighbour has 3 dogs who will all chase my cats if they're off-lead out the front. My cats know they live there and don't go in the garden. Personally if my cat was hurt in their garden I wouldn't hold them responsible, but at the front I would as they have no control of their dogs in a public place. My cat is entitled to sit under my bushes without their dogs coming onto my land to flush them out and chase them.

    This man was not concerned about the cat, or about the distress caused to the owners by taking it away. We asked him to put a card in the local shop saying where she was. The centre manager said "how would you feel if one of your dogs went missing" and he said he didn't care, it's only a cat. My cats used to cut through the garden on the other side, and their dog would go mad at the door, barking and scratching. I apologised and told them to get a water pistol and shoot it at the cat, then they'll go round. They never did though. This was just a nasty old man, and if you'd been there you'd have thought the same believe me. He could've put a piece of paper round it's neck with a note on to find its owner and speak to them to try and find a solution but he chose to steal their cat instead.

    I believe I have a good dialogue with my neighbours and we do our best to minimise any incidents. They now put the leads on their dogs to put them in the car, and I have told them to scare the cats out of their garden. If 6 cats and 3 dogs can be sorted out this man could have - or maybe I'm more easy going than most?!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeOct 5th, 2015 4:44pm (Oct 5th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Ah, see the "it's only a cat" does indeed qualify him as an arse.

    Posted By: KatebAn old man brought a beautiful, friendly, well fed and well cared for cat into rehoming today. He said it had "walked into his garden and he's got dogs so was concerned about it's safety".


    I thought he'd been labelled as horrible because he brought a cat into rescue that has a home, when all he was trying to do was get it out of his garden so that his dogs wouldn't kill it...not because he seemed to think cats were below dogs :sarcastic:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 5th, 2015 6:59pm (Oct 5th 2015)
     
    Well yes, he is horrible for that too. It could be a child's pet - she really is very gentle and affectionate. If you swap each reference to a cat to dog, and vice versa, do you get why it's horrible? Imagine little Rey got into the neighbours garden and they were worried their cats might scratch him so took him off to the dogs trust? Ok Rey is chipped now so you'd get him back, but what if you hadn't got round to it? Imagine how upset you'd feel not knowing where he was, what might have happened to him, whether you'd ever get him back again. He hasn't dealt well with a situation, and wouldn't allow anyone else to help with a reasonable solution. It's really not about cats or dogs, it's about an old cat-hating man who has done something horrible to someone's pet.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeOct 5th, 2015 9:46pm (Oct 5th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Just to check - I was agreeing he was an arse in the last post, not standing up for him, in case we had the wrong end of the stick ;)

    If Rey had gotten out of our garden and wound up in someone elses garden, and their cats could potentially kill him (as dogs easily could a cat), I wouldn't blame the owners for taking him to a rescue. I'd rather he was at a rescue than wandering free...see it's hard for me to understand because I don't let any of my pets out unsupervised, and I can never imagine doing so. Maybe I just don't 'get' it.

    For example if he got out I'd be out calling him, knocking on doors, sticking up posters etc etc. Because he's always supervised I'd know when he was missing and would be able to call up all the nearby rescues to see if they had him. Even when we have a cat / cats (waaay in the future) the likelihood is I won't let them out to free-range; they'll have a specially modified house (cat trees, specially placed shelves to climb and walk on), an outdoor run and possibly lead walks. Because I see dangers everywhere and I'm used to keeping dogs, my brain doesn't 'get' the unsupervised / free-range aspect. It's alien to me because I've never experienced it, and there are so many laws regarding dogs, their behaviour and safety.

    I thought the old man had brought the cat into the rescue because he didn't want his dogs killing a cat that wouldn't leave his garden, so he was worried about the cat's safety...whereas it turns out that wasn't his reasoning behind it at all, and thus he is an arse. Do you see?
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 6th, 2015 11:50pm (Oct 6th 2015)
     
    Yes, get you now! :045:
    Cats need that element of freedom-it's in their genes. You often find when cats have issues it's because they've been kept indoors. It's something I hate too, but just as kids have to be allowed a degree of freedom so do cats. I think my worry is that she's a companion to a little old lady who can't get out to look for her. Cats don't go via paths either so can cover a fair distance and be several roads away making it hard to track them down. If only she'd been microchipped ... But then 2 of mine aren't yet and every day I think "must get that done".

    You would be the perfect owner for an FIV cat.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeOct 8th, 2015 6:22pm (Oct 8th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I think it's because I see everything from a dog POV - so, it's in a dog's genes to roam, so they get walks (either trained off lead or on a longline), and it transfers to how I would treat a cat. I wouldn't be happy letting my cat out unsupervised to poo everywhere, scrap with others and kill wildlife, just as I try prevent that with my dogs.

    I think if people put the time and effort into keeping indoor cats it would be the same as with dogs...the majority of dogs that have behavioural issues are because they are left alone too much, are bored, overexercised and untrained.

    I had one friend who had 4+ cats indoors. They had no toys, they never got outdoor time, they never played or had things to do, and they all hated each other so were locked in separate rooms, alone. They were miserable. I had another friend who had an indoor cat that had her own cat room (cat trees, dangling toys, numerous home-made toys made from paper etc etc) and was the happiest cat alive. She also got set play times daily and went out in their rabbits' run (which was a huge oblong that connected to the underside of a giant trampoline) when the bun wasn't in it :bigsmile:

    It was a crazy looking cat...are Manx a breed? It was a breed that didn't have a tail :tooth:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 8th, 2015 10:22pm (Oct 8th 2015)
     
    Yes, Manx are a breed from the Isle of Man.

    That is exactly the point about enrichment. I would say though that since I got Seven (tabby mommy) rehomed none of my cats has brought back any wildlife which makes me think it was her that caught them and mine just joined in. 3 of my cats use the litter tray, 1 uses it sometimes, and the other 2 go outdoors, 1 in my garden but don't know about the other. The last one (which is Jenson) is also the one that goes furthest - I think he spends a lot of time in the woods that are about 200m away. The others are always within hearing distance. And I admit, I don't play with them as much as I should but strays are a but strange and it takes them a while to learn how to play again. They're getting there!! 6 is too many too but I'd never get rid of any of them.

    The mystery of the Rehoming cat is solved. Turns out she belonged to him. He's moving in with his 'girlfriend' and cats aren't allowed (I'm assuming it's some sort of sheltered housing). I don't know why he didn't tell us-maybe he thought either we wouldn't take her, or perhaps it was just his way of dealing with it. Makes me feel really sad.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeOct 8th, 2015 11:27pm (Oct 8th 2015)
     

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    What?! Omb that's...bizarre! At least you know the cat doesn't have an owner looking for her now, and she will hopefully find a wonderful new home.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeOct 8th, 2015 11:30pm (Oct 8th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Posted By: KatebYes, Manx are a breed from the Isle of Man.


    It was a really odd looking cat. No tail and kind of a fat / chipmunky face! I thought for years that she'd lost her tail in some sort of accident :rolling:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 9th, 2015 8:03pm (Oct 9th 2015)
     
    Posted By: Kateb 3 of my cats use the litter tray, 1 uses it sometimes


    :rolling: I really must learn to read more slowly: I read that as '3 of my cats use the litter tray, I use it sometimes...' So sorry Kate...I laughed till I cried at the thought!:rollonfloorlaughing:

    And BTW, I was right: he IS an arse.:thumbdown::rant_red2::_oh_really:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 9th, 2015 9:03pm (Oct 9th 2015)
     
    Well, sometimes you get caught short! :wink:

    Yes Manx do have a specific look about them. Some have no tail at all and I think they call them rumpy, others have a very small tail (couple of inches) and I think they're called stumpy.

    And yes CC, he is, but at least she can have a new home with someone who loves her and we won't have to worry about a heartbroken unknown owner.