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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeOct 14th, 2015 5:32pm (Oct 14th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    So...yet another weird experience at our vets.

    We had been out on a long walk and decided to pop in with Kasper. We would go in, feed him treats in the waiting room, then leave.

    As ever I went in on my own to let the staff know we were bringing our scaredy-pup in, and that they should completely ignore him. When I explained what I was doing to the member of staff she stared at me blankly for several seconds then asked "Are you registered with this vets?" I said I was.

    She then said she'd just go check with someone else that what I wanted to do was okay - huh?! All I wanted was to bring Kasper in, feed him treats, then leave!!! Every vets we've ever spoken to (including one of the vets at this practice!) has said what a great idea this is!
    :cursing:

    So I went and waited at the desk whilst the woman went to talk to someone. As they were whispering just around the corner I heard her whisper what I wanted, and then "And she's got a camera around her neck. I don't know why. I don't know whether she wants to take photos." WTH?!?!?!?

    Firstly, I had a camera because I'd just been on a lovely newly discovered walk and wanted to take photos of it! Secondly I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to take photos of my own dog in the waiting room, and thirdly did nobody ever tell you whispering is rude?! Oh yeah, and I can still hear you... :sarcastic:

    Anyway she came back and said she'd just check my dog's details on the computer (no idea why...). I gave my dogs' name and surname. She couldn't find anything on the system and turned to say, "Are you actually registered with us?" Why would I lie??? She asked for my address and found all three of our dogs registered - she had been spelling it wrong :sarcastic:

    I reiterated that the staff should ignore Kasper. We took him in for 30 seconds and left, that was it. There, that wasn't so difficult now was it?
    :tearhair:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 14th, 2015 9:50pm (Oct 14th 2015)
     
    What is wrong with them?! Nurses just don't have any idea do they. I sometimes wonder why they work with animals when they don't understand the first thing about them. I took Emmett to get her claws cut yesterday and a lady came in with her dog, weighed him, walked him round and left. No one minded and the staff just chatted to her.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 14th, 2015 9:59pm (Oct 14th 2015)
     
    Not really a rant, more a worry. Emmett was weighed at the vet yesterday and is 3.27kg. Four years ago she was 6.66kg so she's just half the cat she was. For the first 16 years I was told she needed to lose weight, now they're saying she's lost too much and needs to put it on. The nurse wanted me to book her in for blood tests, but I explained that she's 20, deaf, one-eyed, arthritic, on pain killers. The stress of a blood test could kill her, if they find something wrong then we would seriously have to consider putting her to sleep so that she didn't suffer as I can't subject her to more medication, so again I had to turn them down. Am I doing the right thing or should I let them do bloods?
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeOct 14th, 2015 10:55pm (Oct 14th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    IKR?! What was all the whispering and concerns with my camera about?! Oh AND they sent us quite a threatening letter the other day saying we owe them £95 for Zoey's emergency appointment THAT WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR!!!
    :cursing:

    Quick reply - I'm supposed to be in bed! Ohhh Kate that is a tough decision :( If Kasper was 15 years old (old for a dog his size) and he was deaf, only had one eye and was arthritic...I don't think I'd go for the blood test. Why put him through pain, fear and misery? The test either wouldn't show something (what a stressful waste) or it could come up with a problem that would stress YOU out more as then it's "aagh I know he's ill and it's scary and there's nothing I can do...".

    Then again is there a chance it could be something simple and treatable - ?

    I still think, if it was me, I would do what you're doing and decline. You've already said the stress of a blood test could be seriously dangerous for her, so I wouldn't do it. I would put all my effort into enjoying and loving her :heart:

    Are there any cat foods specially to help cats gain weight, or any good treat-type-foods? (for example I know tripe is great for getting weight on dogs!). Also what about things you can add to her food that might give her a boost? I recently discovered coconut oil (which the pups love), and we will be trying salmon oil (I think I read on the zooplus reviews people use this with cats and have seen great changes, all the reviews for salmon oil were REALLY positive) and turmeric too.

    I don't know if it's worth trying any of that, but it might be worth a little google?

    Bless her...owning pets is so difficult, and decisions are horribly hard...
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeOct 15th, 2015 4:55am (Oct 15th 2015)
     
    Katie, at 20yrs. old, cats do get skinny..most really old people do too. I think you did right by saying no to the blood test. It could do much more harm than good.

    Red, your Vet needs to get new office help.:face-smile:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 15th, 2015 1:13pm (Oct 15th 2015)
     
    You should also ask for an apology on TWO counts, Red; first for the attitude, then for the demand for monies already paid.
    Kate, I think I would leave it too. My friend took her elderly cat in as the vets wouldn't give her any more pills without seeing him, and she is sure that the stress of the visit made him go into a decline. Alternatively, grit your teeth and fork out for a home visit. But if you're not going to make her have more medicine, there's no point doing the blood test anyway, is there?
    • CommentAuthorollie in UK
    • CommentTimeOct 15th, 2015 9:56pm (Oct 15th 2015)
     
    We have had our favourite cat euthanised, (kidney failure -costing over £1000 in treatments) ensuring that all bills had been paid before this was done.
    Next day get a demand for cremation costs.
    This had not been arranged and was distressing to us.

    However vet realised that we had already had a lousy experience and waved the cremation cost and offered us the ashes for collection.

    Top marks for this vet's sensitivity.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 16th, 2015 12:45pm (Oct 16th 2015)
     
    Absolutely, Ollie - very nice of the vet, but as you say s/he was in the wrong, cremating your poor cat without asking. I do think vets charge huge amounts. But perhaps we've been spoiled by the NHS...
    • CommentAuthorollie in UK
    • CommentTimeOct 16th, 2015 5:25pm (Oct 16th 2015)
     
    Also the vet knows we have the brother to his patient, so needs to have some cred'
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 16th, 2015 10:05pm (Oct 16th 2015)
     
    I don't mind taking her up there for a med review - they don't make me go as often as I probably should and it's OK if I see one of the usual vets as they know her. Only problem is when it's a locum or temp and they start lecturing me about her weight loss, how much med she has - I just smile and nod nowadays. The usual vets will hold a proper conversation with me but the stand-ins speak like I'm a child who's just put their hamster in the oven (tut tut!! :wink:)

    Thanks everyone, I'll continue to refuse.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd, 2015 7:32pm (Oct 22nd 2015)
     
    Not a rant, a regret. An old friend passed away today - he was one of the hockey dads from Danny's junior days. He had a brain tumour which had recurred, and I heard a few months ago he was in a hospice. I decided I would go and visit him, but everyday life got in the way and now it's too late. Let your friends know you're thinking about them, tell your family you love them, and make time to do the things you put off.

    Ivor - was a great human being. Always ready with a terrible joke and a funny story, it was never a chore to spend time with him and I'm glad to have known him.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd, 2015 10:39pm (Oct 23rd 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Posted By: KatebLet your friends know you're thinking about them, tell your family you love them

    :iagree:

    rant: paid extra delivery for the mouse cage and it hasn't even been dispatched yet! Hopefully it'll still make it here by Monday, which is the last day it should arrive :/ Also still waiting for some degu toys (also off amazon) which we ordered before we got the degus!!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 24th, 2015 2:26pm (Oct 24th 2015)
     
    Sorry about your friend, Kate. I lost a good friend month ago and will always be sad that I never got to say goodbye. But that was a lovely tribute to Ivor - he'll be proud wherever he is!
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeOct 26th, 2015 5:15am (Oct 26th 2015)
     
    I'm sorry to hear about your friend Ivor, Kate...and you are right, about telling your friends and family you love them and are thinking of them. I've lost several friends and family that I never got to say goodbye to, but I do think of them often.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 27th, 2015 11:00pm (Oct 27th 2015)
     
    Maybe that's the reason why we don't get to say goodbye, so that they live in our memories permanently and we talk about them more.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeOct 28th, 2015 3:45pm (Oct 28th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    rant: the bl**dy mouse cage :cursing:

    Should have been here by Monday as we paid extra delivery, it's still not here, it's not even been dispatched and now the estimated delivery date is November 3rd - wtf?!?!?
    :tearhair:

    I am fuuuming! Cancelled the order and will be complaining to amazon, as five other items ordered before my birthday (*for* my birthday!) still haven't arrived!

    Then I found a few other mouse cages I'd settle for, before finding a beautiful large cage at a good price...I go to order it, having found it at a great price (£60 instead of £150 on amazon!!!) on a site where I can choose next-day delivery...and the cage isn't in stock for 1 - 3 weeks
    :face-crying:

    On top of that the pet shop we are getting our three lovely breeder mice phoned and left a message saying our meecers are in stock, and made it sound like we could go pick them and bring them home. But when we phoned up they said they need to spend a few days in the shop before they can be brought home (which would be Friday) and then the only person that can sell mice is off until next Wednesday...AAAAGH!!!!

    :face-crying:

    They said we can go in and view the mice to choose which ones we want, but the pet shop is really difficult to get to and I'd just want to bring them home *sigh* Lyle's gonna ask if they'll post some pics on their FB page...
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeOct 28th, 2015 3:47pm (Oct 28th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    This is the new cage I really want:



    It's slightly longer than the other I wanted, but not quite as wide or high (I'm talking like 2cm difference).

    Lyle's found somewhere that will deliver the original cage by Friday, so I don't even know which one to go for anymore.

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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeOct 28th, 2015 5:36pm (Oct 28th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Ordered the Langham from ebay and it says it will be here by Friday...also turned out to be cheaper than Amazon. We sent the following complaint to Amazon too:

    Hello,

    I have been ordering things from Amazon for close to a decade now, and when myself and partner are looking to buy something it's the first place we check.

    After recent orders we are both totally stressed out and quite frankly never want to order from Amazon again.

    It was my partner's birthday recently so I ordered quite a few items from Amazon, which should have arrived very much in time for her birthday (I gave them 7 - 10 days to arrive) - out of eight items, four arrived in time, four didn't arrive and three still haven't arrived, over a week later.

    Around the same time (I think 12th October) we ordered quite a few toys for our rodents, and as of today only one has arrived, which got here this morning.

    Just after my partner's birthday she very excitedly ordered a hamster cage with some money she had been given, and we paid extra for quicker delivery. The cage still hasn't arrived, and has not even been dispatched yet.

    With most the items we are waiting for, the estimated delivery has been given as 3rd - 5th November...this seems ridiculous when we ordered them early-mid October!!

    I ordered a rodent wooden play area to go in the cage, I didn't pay any extra for postage and it arrived the next working day!!

    I really can't remember having to wait longer than a week for something to arrive from Amazon, and now all of a sudden things are taking almost a month! This has resulted in a significantly disappointing birthday, and the thing that my partner then bought with her birthday money also hasn't arrived - I've actually cancelled the order now and ordered from somewhere else other than Amazon.

    Huge disappointment, and we will only be using Amazon as a last resort from now on...
    • CommentAuthorEdge
    • CommentTimeOct 29th, 2015 1:53pm (Oct 29th 2015) edited
     
    I can't believe how useless Amazon has been, I'm really annoyed that things for your birthday didn't arrive in time. At least now we've bought the cage off ebay it really is getting here tomorrow I can't wait! I know we kind of fell in love with the glass bottomed cage but the first one is still really good. I hope the pet shop emails photos of our mice today and we manage to go see them tomorrow :bigsmile:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeOct 29th, 2015 10:57pm (Oct 29th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    So excited for the new mouse cage tomorrow :woohoo: Bit worried we're going to be out when it arrives and miss it though... :face-plain:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeNov 8th, 2015 10:38pm (Nov 8th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    rant: so I finally get the Siamese mouse of my dreams, after eight years waiting, and the four mice we brought home seem to be really really ill :face-crying:

    They've been home four days, tonight we thought they were all dead. Each lying away from each other, not in hidey spots just in the open. Not reacting to being touched or having water dropped on them. They've had food and water, they might have been a little sluggish yesterday but they were still alert and seemed healthy. No wheezing, wounds or anything...they just look like they're dying :crying:

    They have perked up a little, they are moving about unsteadily now and responding a little to touch, but aren't interested in food.

    We scattered food about and got a big bowl of water, in case they had been having trouble with the water dispenser...but as it drips continuously (and is doing so now) I can't imagine they would have.

    Phoning the pet shop tomorrow and probably vet appointment too, unless they have made a miraculous recovery...

    The scary thing is the pet shop that we ordered these girls from said as they had been in quarantine at the shop, we could intro them to our current girls two days after we brought them home (which would have been last Friday) - I am SO GLAD we didn't do this!!

    I read something on a mouse forum ages back about something called 'new shed syndrome', and that was basically the mice became ill when going to a new environment. I don't remember what the symptoms were, or what could help them though...and I have never had mice be like this before.

    My poor poor beautiful girls, please send them positive thoughts...
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeNov 9th, 2015 12:33pm (Nov 9th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Juniper, Berry and Elm have passed :face-crying::face-crying::face-crying::face-crying::face-crying::face-crying:

    Daisy is very ill, I think she's on her way out. We have a vet appointment in a few hours time, but I'm worried the stress of getting her there and out into the rain will finish her off...

    Phoned the pet shop we got them from, the owner is talking to their exotic vet...
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeNov 9th, 2015 12:50pm (Nov 9th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Daisy has died :crying:

    We only saw they were acting ill twelve hours ago, and now they are all dead.

    They had food and water, they were in a room away from our other pets (thank god), they were in thoroughly cleaned out modular cages that our (perfectly healthy) mice were in just a week ago. They haven't eaten anything or chewed anything, the cage has no space for anything 'naughty' or not mouse friendly to fall in; there are no bars!

    We literally didn't have time to get them to the vet, and literally the ONLY symptom we had before they were suddenly dying was that they were a little sluggish the day before...which we assumed was because we woke them up for handling. They were all eating fine.
    Seriously, wtf? Totally devastated... :face-crying:
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      CommentAuthorneil
    • CommentTimeNov 9th, 2015 1:27pm (Nov 9th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Aww man that's really shit :(

    For them all to die so closely timed, I'd hope the pet shop would investigate - worth taking pics of their housing then take them to the pet shop?

    Sorry man, sending hugs. xxx
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeNov 9th, 2015 4:31pm (Nov 9th 2015)
     
    O Red what a horrible horrible thing to happen; I'm so sorry. What has the pet shop said?
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeNov 9th, 2015 8:23pm (Nov 9th 2015)
     
    Oh Red, sympathies from me as well. You must be desperately upset but just be glad you hadn't intro'd them. I think you should return the to the shop so that they can investigate, and I think they should be speaking in strongest terms to their supplier. It's a shame the vet didn't get to see Daisy before she went to maybe suggest some cause. For all four to die so close together indicates some sort of infection I would expect.

    I'm sure you've already done this but just in case anyone else reads this at some point - make sure you dispose of everything in the pen that wasn't plastic and therefore able to be boiled / sterilised. Clean the cage thoroughly, leave to dry, repeat at least twice more before re-use.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeNov 9th, 2015 9:22pm (Nov 9th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Thanks guys :face-crying: We phoned the pet shop about 11.30am and she said she would phone her exotics vet, talk to them then phone us back. She didn't apologise or say 'oh how terrible', nothing. She asked a few questions (such as do you have children / other family members who could have accidentally fed them something toxic), but that was it. She said the mice at the shop (that came with ours) are perfectly fine, so I wish I knew more about 'new shed syndrome' This was when Daisy was still alive, and we thought the pet shop owner was talking to her vet to ask the vet how we could help her.

    We phoned her less than an hour later to say that Daisy had passed, thinking she'd need to know as there was no point her phoning the vet now. She said "I haven't had time to phone and talk with the exotics vet yet, I'll phone you back when I have," then hung up on us. We were on the phone less than 30 seconds, and again she didn't comment on how horrible or tragic it was. Nothing.

    And we haven't heard from her since. She didn't get back in touch.

    Lyle's gonna ring them again as soon as we're up tomorrow. It's all been absolutely horrible, and in the 33 mice we have had (and I'm probably forgetting some) we have NEVER had this happen
    :face-sad:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeNov 10th, 2015 8:04pm (Nov 10th 2015)
     
    Wow, she was very accusatory about what you might've done to them. She's not offering sympathy in case she has to give you money back, or your others become ill. Accidental ingestion of something toxic is always a possibility but finding what that is would be hard. Did they have separate food to the others? Could it have been contaminated?
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeNov 10th, 2015 8:06pm (Nov 10th 2015)
     
    Fleas. Damn things. The cats all have them but they are more bothered by the spot on treatment than the fleas themselves! I've treated them all with the exception of Kitten - I just can't get close enough, she's completely freaked out and won't come near me. :(
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeNov 10th, 2015 8:45pm (Nov 10th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Pet shop owner phoned mid morning and said the exotics vet she spoke to had no idea what could have happened either. Again she didn't say how horrible it was or apologise, but she did ask a few more questions hinting it was our fault (eg. is there an air freshener in the room? = no). Then she made to hang up the phone and Lyle said he wasn't happy about any of this, and we had paid for four mice that had just died.

    She then said she could order four more mice in and we could get them for half price!!! WHY would we get more mice from the same breeder / shop?!?! When Lyle said no to that she said she could give us half a refund...omg *shakes head*

    Lyle has asked her to phone us back once she has managed to get in touch with the mouse breeder, to see if he has any ideas. The entire way she has dealt with us is disgusting, to say her shop is supposed to be one of the best in the area, and she cares about the animals and takes in rescues!

    Kate the mouse food is all in a tub together, so no chance that was contaminated as our other mice are fine. I'm waiting to hear back from someone on a mouse forum as she said if the mice died from poisoning there are signs, once they have died, that indicate it.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeNov 10th, 2015 8:47pm (Nov 10th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Posted By: KatebFleas. Damn things. The cats all have them but they are more bothered by the spot on treatment than the fleas themselves! I've treated them all with the exception of Kitten - I just can't get close enough, she's completely freaked out and won't come near me.


    Kate have a look at Wondercide. It's an all natural product that kills everything, and you can spray it about the house too. Only issue is I could only find it in America and the postage cost as much as the product!! I did get in touch with the company and they recommended a site where postage was cheaper, I'll try find it...
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeNov 10th, 2015 8:48pm (Nov 10th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Here it is, still expensive but we're definitely going to get it in at some point!

    http://www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com/search.html?q=wondercide
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeNov 11th, 2015 5:41pm (Nov 11th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    rant: Lyle was really shaken up when we were walking Raiden today. We saw a Border Collie in the distance and didn't like the dogs' body language, so we picked Raiden up 20+ feet away from the other dog.

    As we walked past the Collie (which was off lead) we were just chatting to each other and giving Rey treats, paying the dog no attention. As it drew level with me it sprinted round the back of us, snarling, and went to bite Lyle. The dog made contact, but luckily Lyle had wellies on...if he had trainers the dog would have bitten his skin, as he was wearing shorts.

    The Collie's owner didn't even react really, he said in a stern (but not surprised) voice "Hey [dog's name]" and then carried on, he didn't even apologise. How disgusting.

    Lyle was pretty shaken up as the dog could have injured him and he wouldn't have been able to protect himself as he was carrying Rey, and it would have had a negative impact on our dog's socialisation too. Idiot...

    Then when Rey was offlead on the beach we had to make a hasty exit as we saw someone with four aggressive Collies coming towards us...this old woman lets all her dogs walk off lead, and one is extremely aggressive...the others are pushy and snappy and very vocal, but I haven't seen them attack a dog before.

    On the narrow path home we met two Sringers who were aggressive and barked and lunged as we passed, then behind us there was an aggressive Golden Retreiver and when they met they stood chatting as their dogs got entirely stressed and just barked / lunged at each other. So Raiden didn't get to meet or play with any other dogs on his walk today, but at least he wasn't injured either!
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeNov 11th, 2015 6:50pm (Nov 11th 2015)
     
    Red, I sure am glad that Lyle had his Wellies on and that baby Rey didn't get hurt. Sounds like one scary walk you went on.

    I'm so sorry to hear about you loosing all 4 of your new mice. I would think the shop owner would give you a full refund on them, since they were only at your house for such a short time and you DO know how to take care of mice.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeNov 11th, 2015 7:47pm (Nov 11th 2015)
     
    The shop owners attitude is disgraceful! Wonder if trading standards would be interested? Definitely wouldn't be putting any more business her way.

    What a terrible walk and poor Lyle! So glad he's OK.

    I'll have a look at that product. Cats are such strange animals-I think I'm more annoyed about the wormer tablets. She gave me 3 and said they should have half a tablet each. They were big tablets so I had to crush them and put in their food but they all walked away and refused to touch the food. I said at the time they were nothing like I had last time, but she said thats what they recommend. I'll have to go back tomorrow and complain!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeNov 20th, 2015 1:06am (Nov 20th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    rant: we took Raiden out to the car park behind our house to meet our friend briefly, and some absolutely moron had left four large halves of an onion on the ground. Onions are highly toxic to dogs and we didn't even realise what they were at first as there's virtually no lighting round there :tearhair:
    Raiden picked several up and was happily chomping them :gasp: Thankfully when I tore off several large pieces of ham and sing-songed "Reeeaaady? Go!" he dropped the onion to chase after them...grrr.

    And we found yet another corn on the cob on the beach the other day, which is also deadly to dogs. Spotted that before Raiden and chucked it as far as I could into a field...
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeDec 9th, 2015 6:25pm (Dec 9th 2015)
     
    Rant: I was on the laptop and Tuppence suddenly jumped up onto it. I pushed her off and she went - taking three keys with her! Anyone know if they can just be stuck on or am I stuffed?
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeDec 9th, 2015 8:10pm (Dec 9th 2015)
     
    THink it depends on the keyboard - has it left a little post sticking up? If so press that and see if it works. If it does you should just be able to stick them back on. Keys usually just push on anyway so give it a go!
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      CommentAuthorneil
    • CommentTimeDec 9th, 2015 8:39pm (Dec 9th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Some keyboards are more tricky to repair than others - sometimes they have metal paperclip like strips that go across the key and that hooks onto the underside of the key - once it's come off, it's hard to get it back on, without plenty of pushing, pulling and swearing...

    If you have problems stick a pic of it on here and hopefully someone might be able to help. :)
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeDec 9th, 2015 10:03pm (Dec 9th 2015)
     
    No camera (ain't I old fashioned?) but I know a few boffins so will ask. Grrr...
    I can't ask questions as my question mark is one of the affected keys...? O, it seems to work if I press hard!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeDec 10th, 2015 5:37pm (Dec 10th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    CC I feel your pain, I have lost so many keyboard keys thanks to stupid playfighting dogs... :P

    My old, old laptop was good as if you pushed the keys with force they just clicked back on. The one I have now is terrible, and once the keys fall off they refuse to go back on...the up and down arrows fell off (nothing even happened to them!) so I have to push the little nubble now to use them...good job they're not more important :smile:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeDec 18th, 2015 9:31pm (Dec 18th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    rant: STUPID IDIOT DOGS WITH THEIR STUPID IDIOT OWNERS :cursing:

    Took Zoey out for a walk just after 7am, still dark out. We came off a busy road and walked down a narrow country lane. We'd only been walking down for a few minutes when a huge black Labrador came charging off lead out the gloom.

    It was okay to begin with; Zoey even approached the dog a little with a loose wagging tail (god bless her...). Then the dog barelled over to us and was the most unmannerly and rude dog I've seen. He approached head on (threatening and rude for dogs), stuck his nose into hers, chased her when she tried to create space and was obsessed with her crotch.

    Zoey was quickly becoming very uncomfortable so we tried walking her away from the Lab, but it wouldn't let her. I tried distracting the dog with ham, waving it in his face and tossing it on the floor but he just wanted Zoey :_oh_really: By this point I was absolutely furious so I took a snatch at the dog's collar, grabbed onto him and heaved him back. I held him apart as he whined and lunged for Zoey, and Lyle picked her up.

    Most people say picking a dog up is a bad idea, especially around large dogs, because it's like a squirrel going up a tree - but what else could we do??

    I released the Lab and it charged at Lyle and leapt repeatedly to see Zoey, with Lyle turning to keep her away from the dog. I managed to squeeze between the stupid dog and used very threatening body language to get it to back off (didn't want to shout as it'd stress Zoey out more)...I towered over the dog, maintained eye contact, made myself look bigger and moved in on the dog's space. After around 30 seconds the dog ran off -- it was now we heard the dog's prat of an owner repeatedly blowing a whistle for recall. How's that working out for you, you idiot? :rant_red2:

    We carried Zoey back towards the road for around a minute and didn't see the dog, so we put her down (15kg is heavy!). She seemed okay, she was glad to be walking and was taking treats...THEN THE LAB CAME BACK!!

    It charged right up to her...I wanted to cry now. Zoey was trying to do LAT, she knew if she paid attention to me around dogs she got treats :crying: She was also doing her best to tell the Lab she was unhappy; she was moving away, had her tail and ears tucked, was licking her lips etc. The Lab was ignoring everything and was now chasing her, jumping on her and being horrific.

    There was no way we could pick Zoey up or get the Lab's collar as they were moving too quickly. I was so desperate I grabbed the Lab's fur / skin, and just yanked as hard as I could to pull him away. It worked.

    Lyle picked Zoey up and I continued blocking the Lab as it tried to get past me...it was relentless so in the end I lunged towards it, stamping my foot, and said "Oi!" He left again, and still the moronic owner was whistling. We carried Zoey, who was wriggly and stressed, off the lane and onto the pavement by the road before setting her down again.

    THE LAB CAME BACK IT CAME RIGHT TO THE ROAD WTF?!

    I managed to keep it on the lane for a while, stepping continuously in front of it, but it got past. More chasing and jumping onto Zoey :sad: I couldn't catch it...in the end Zoey had to resort to snarling at it; she had tried absolutely everything else and I hadn't managed to keep her safe :crying:

    The snarl got the Lab to back off and I jumped in, chasing it back to the lane. We immediately crossed the busy road and hoped it'd come back and get hit by a car, maybe then the dog's stupid owner would learn an important lesson...

    I am incredibly angry. My dog does not deserve this, and it keeps happening.

    We have worked for a year and a half to show Zoey other dogs are wonderful, and every time she is bothered we get pushed backwards...I dread to think how this will have affected her. It's one step forward and twenty steps back every time something happens.

    Secondly Zoey had to resort to snarling at a dog. She was well within her right to snarl, and I am glad she did, but she will likely be more inclined to snarl sooner next time...THIS is how aggressive dogs are created, by other ****head owners letting their "friendly" off lead dogs harass and scare others.

    And then there's the dog's size. This was a very large Labrador (Males typically weigh up to 36kg) jumping all over our 15kg dog...imagine if we'd had 6kg Rey with us?!? :scared:

    The worst thing is that there is no way to report a dog like this, and even if you did you would get laughed at...but if Zoey had bitten a dog doing this to her it would have had serious consequences because she's a bull breed!!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeDec 19th, 2015 8:42pm (Dec 19th 2015)
     
    Where the hell were the owners?? Thank God YOU are both such responsible owners...:face-sad:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeDec 19th, 2015 9:36pm (Dec 19th 2015)
     
    Maybe you should've shouted "Help me, dog attack" and maybe the owner would've come running. I know you didn't want to stress Zoey by shouting, but the dog stressed her out anyway. Thing is, the owners of such dogs don't see that they're doing anything wrong (how many times have you heard "he only wants to play") so will never learn. I hope Zoey is OK now (and you and Lyle too). He was brave to pick her up - I've heard stories of dogs leaping up and attacking the owners/biting legs but it's the sort of thing you do on instinct because you don't want your pet to be hurt.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeDec 20th, 2015 10:10am (Dec 20th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Lyle was out walking Rey this morning and a Shar Pei appeared off lead in the field where Rey was, also off lead. There was no owner in sight.

    The Shar Pei apparently had loose, friendly body language so Lyle let Raiden go say hi. He said they were a great match and both really enjoyed playing with each other :smile: Raiden did his usual yapping as he ran after the dog, because he couldn't keep up :rolling: , but they apparently played beautifully.

    At the end Lyle called to Rey - who came immediately!! :heart: - and picked him up. He couldn't have left him down because the Shar Pei was trying to get him to play, and you can't expect a 6 month old puppy to ignore another dog asking to play...this would usually be the point where the other dog's owner called it off, but there was no owner :sarcastic:

    I'm over the moon Raiden got to play with a dog that was such a good match up, it doesn't happen often enough, but I'm annoyed because imagine if it'd been Zoey on that walk! That would've been ANOTHER off lead dog running up to her, with no owner to call it off!

    Kate even when people see their dogs behave that way they don't think anything's wrong...it's happened dozens of times to us, they see their dog bouncing all over ours or getting in their face, we shout and ask them to get their dog and they give us a filthy look with the obligatory "s/he's only being friendly!"

    We saw a Staffy once at a fair, and a Lab dragged its' owner right into the dog's face - she literally couldn't hold her dog back! The Staffy gave out lots of 'please go away' signals, but the Lab was jumping on it, pawing the Staffy, licking the Staffy's mouth etc. Meanwhile the dogs owners stood and chatted. Eventually the Staffy was forced to tell the Lab to go away, with a snarl and an air snap - guess which dog got yelled at? The Staffy's owner gave the dog a gigantic yank on the collar and proceeded to scold the dog and tell it to 'be nice'...she then apologised profusely to the Lab's owner. Meanwhile I stood to one side biting my tongue and seething :rolling:

    I was actually really scared when I grabbed the Lab, especially when I just took hold a handful of it's skin. Time slowed down and all I could think was leave Zoey and possibly have a dog fight on our hands or try grab the Lab and hope it doesn't bite?!

    When we first adopted Kasper he was attacked by a Lab; when I managed to get it away the dog turned on me. I wasn't bitten but my arms were scratched to the point of bleeding...I managed to kick the dog away and it ran across the field to its owner, who was just stood watching :sarcastic:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeDec 20th, 2015 5:22pm (Dec 20th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    A trainer I very much respect posted this article recently - talk about coincidence!

    https://glasgowdogtrainer.wordpress.com/2015/12/20/recall-and-respect/#comment-963

    I especially like these, quoted from the blog:

    "Having your dog off lead in public is definitely a privilege but more and more I’m seeing people who view it as a right."

    "But what if I was I regular joe out with his dog, doing his best to train and keep his dog under control and one of these incidents happens. Is that fair? All of the above examples could have been prevented if the the dogs had been either recall trained or on lead"
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeDec 20th, 2015 5:41pm (Dec 20th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    rant: found ANOTHER corn cob on our dog walk today - wth?! As if that's not bad enough there were yet more sheep bones scattered about - *incredibly* annoying! Rey picked one up and began running with it, which looked hilarious, but in the end he chose to drop it himself, which was awesome. Lyle went back and threw the sheep bones into the river.

    This is a really popular dog walking spot, it's kinda scary how many potentially dangerous edible things are scattered about.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeDec 20th, 2015 7:41pm (Dec 20th 2015)
     
    Maybe they're scattered around BECAUSE it's a popular dog walk. There are plenty of people out there who don't like animals and don't care about hurting them.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeDec 23rd, 2015 1:19am (Dec 23rd 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I did think of that...it's just so out of the way though. I assumed the tide washed them up from beach BBQs, but you see so many corn cobs there it's ridiculous...there is a lot of litter though (I mean A LOT of litter; there's a point in the walk that's just a carpet of litter washed in by the tide) so who knows...
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeDec 25th, 2015 8:25pm (Dec 25th 2015)
     
    People who don't have dogs pay no attention to what is or isn't good for dogs to eat, so leave their trash around for the poor dogs to get into..they just plain don't care.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeDec 26th, 2015 2:23pm (Dec 26th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    rant: rain and flooding's back. This time we have a red flood warning which is classed as 'danger to life'. I'm panicking about the river bursting its banks and reaching our house, Lyle said it won't come to that but I can't help but worry. The rain's terrible which means we can't walk Zoey, we could barely walk her yesterday what with the rain and she didn't get walked the day before because I was ill. She's being an arse because she has so much energy.

    For three nights I only had a total of 5.5 hours sleep, I just can't sleep anymore. Its been terrible since July when I came off the meds, but I thought it'd gotten a little better these past few weeks...I ended up being sick on Christmas day from lack of sleep which was a wonderful start! :sarcastic: The GP isn't open until the 28th, so I couldn't get any sleep help from them, and the allergy pills / Nytol are doing nothing. Last night I dug out some old meds from a year ago that used to really knock me out...I slept 10 hours :yay_jump:

    I wonder if we'll have another power cut...
    • CommentAuthorollie in UK
    • CommentTimeDec 26th, 2015 5:41pm (Dec 26th 2015)
     
    Red, do be careful using old meds.
    Watch the dates on that pack.
    Also be very careful taking something from a while back, in that how it mixes with what you are taking now.
    You can get advice over the phone from pharmacist
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeDec 27th, 2015 6:12am (Dec 27th 2015)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Thanks Ollie, I will. They're in date and I only used a 1/3 of the normal starting dose.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeDec 27th, 2015 7:23pm (Dec 27th 2015)
     
    Most areas have walk-in centres if you need one, but they're usually reluctant to prescribe sleeping tablets. I'm told it's a fake sleep and you don't feel refreshed afterwards but I don't know if that's true. Maybe the stress around what to do with Zoey is affecting your sleep. If I'm stressed my brain always decides the best time to think the problem through is when my head hits the pillow. Great advice Ollie. x
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeDec 27th, 2015 7:46pm (Dec 27th 2015)
     
    Benylin cough mixture knocks me out and others say Night Nurse is the same.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeDec 27th, 2015 8:58pm (Dec 27th 2015) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    That's the problem Kate, even when I go to the GP they're reluctant to prescribe meds to help, and I've been waiting on an urgent referral for a month and a half now...I was starting to feel really rotten with no sleep. I've always read horrible things about sleeping pills and avoid them, but the meds I've found are actually anti-depressants and not sleep tablets. I think they're mostly prescribed for anxiety / sleep these days...I don't know why the old GP gave me them. These meds didn't have any affect on my mood but did make me sleep and feel really refreshed :bigsmile:

    The Zoey stress probably does have something to do with it, as my sleep has got worse this past week, but I haven't slept properly since I stopped that crappy med last July.

    I'll have to look into those CC!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeDec 28th, 2015 4:02pm (Dec 28th 2015)
     
    They might give you Zopiclone but they are really reluctant to dish them out as they are 'highly addictive' according to the 12 year old doctor who prescribed them to me after interrogating me over why they were needed (because high doses of steroids render you wide awake all night, that's why). I laughed and said 'Have you ever taken them?'
    'No, why?'
    'Because they taste as though a badger has crept into your mouth and died there. Which is why I would NEVER get addicted.'
    I think he put a black mark against my name for that... :D
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeDec 28th, 2015 11:46pm (Dec 28th 2015)
     
    12 year old doctor - LOL!!! I know what you mean - I see them every day and every day and it makes me feel ancient!!

    Anti-depressents work differently depending on the situation, and though you say they didn't work on your mood, they probably affected a sub-conscious side that was associated with stress levels. I had really low-dose ones once, and I didn't feel happier, I just felt a bit calmer which helped me to cope with my stresses and see a solution rather than only seeing problems. I know others that say night nurse has that effect on them, and people that've been on sleeping pills and say the dose escalates quickly as your body/brain becomes accustomed to their effect. I wouldn't go there but can see that they can help in a limited time frame for a short-term problem. I wouldn't think they'd be suitable for your situation.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2016 10:07am (Jan 5th 2016) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Kate the anti-depressants did nothing for me because when they got them to the lowest dose that generally helps people, they made me go manic!

    rant 1: still doing crap for sleep, the meds stopped helping around the most stressful time...I seem to sleep 3 - 5 hours, then go 24-28 hours with no sleep, then sleep 3 - 5 etc. I don't feel tired though, just a bit sick and fuzzy sometimes. Last night I didn't take the small dose of med (why bother when I still can't sleep?) and managed three hours sleep. If at any point I feel tired today I'll try nap.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2016 10:08am (Jan 5th 2016) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    rant 2: a stupid old woman we saw whilst walking Rey yesterday. We'd had the busiest walk EVER, a constant flow of joggers, noisy children, excited dogs, barking dogs, aggressive dogs etc. Raiden had done really well the entire walk but obviously was getting more wound up / excited. As we were walking home an old woman with a dog walked past on a narrow path. We took Raiden to the side and tried to keep him focused on us, but he got carried away and ran to the end of the lead and wriggle-yapped to play. We reeled him in, picked him up (yapping = end of fun) and rewarded him for being calm with treats.

    The woman stopped about 4ft in front of us and said, very condescendingly, "You do know you have just rewarded him for barking, don't you?" Now we have been having a crappy few months and did not need this. Lyle couldn't hold back, but he's not a fighter so he just politely said "We know a lot about dog training, thanks, we know what we're doing." We expected the woman to carry on walking...nope!

    "Well, I've had dogs for forty years. Can't you see how stupid you are being?" Seriously, wtf?! Lyle replied "Thankfully dog training has come a long way in the past 20 years, and I suggest you go look up positive reinforcement. Please keep walking." With much disgust to us, she did.

    We felt like utter crap, even though we knew we weren't in the wrong it's still horrible when things like this happens...however we were totally vindicated when, about 5 minutes later up the path, we saw the woman grab her dog's muzzle and yell "NO! BAD DOG! NO!" into her dog's face, and repeatedly slap the dog's rear.

    Oh okay, if that's the sort of training methods you use, you old bat, I'm glad you disagree with ours :bigsmile:

    But really, what gives people the right to comment on the methods we have chosen to train our dog?! WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT! I could understand it if maybe our dog was off lead and behaving aggressively...but an obvious puppy getting excited because it wants to play?! Even when our dogs are behaving we have had people offer crap advice unasked (remember the guy who said we absolutely must not neuter Rey because he will be fat, dull and lifeless??), and it's almost always older people spewing rubbish about dominance and punishment. It is *so* rude! Even when we see methods we really disagree with, we would never say anything to the dog's owners unless they were flat out being physically abusive! Ugh.
    • CommentAuthorollie in UK
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2016 11:23am (Jan 5th 2016)
     
    I really do suggest you find other places to walk the dogs, even if they are not as attractive.
    Any decent walking area is bound to be well used.
    Some compromise is needed.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2016 2:00pm (Jan 5th 2016) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Unfortunately there's nowhere else we can walk...we've got a rotation of twelve walks in our area, two of which we can't do at the moment thanks to the aggressive horse (we actually have them written on our whiteboard, along with the length, so we can see our options and pick which one we fancy each day - totally sad :bigsmile: ). On all of them there's the potential to bump into silly people or aggressive dogs.

    We avoid the canal at almost all times, as that is busiest, but there's absolutely no way to predict how many dogs will be where and when...for the past three months we have taken Rey to popular dog walking spots to try see other dogs and seen four total, then other times we will go somewhere that's normally dead and bump into literally a dozen different dogs.

    The only place we can mildly guarantee not bumping into potentially aggressive dogs is by sticking to pavements by main roads, but even then Zoey especially was rushed by several off lead dogs (by roads!). Pavement walks are also not as interesting for the dog, they have to be kept on a short lead, and there are more issues with people - especially children who aren't being watched by their parents.

    The final annoyance is litter. Places where we can walk our dogs with less chance of bumping into idiots seem to have more litter; we had Zoey off lead in the dark late at night, a day before she left us, and I stood on something that crunched - used my camera as lighting and there was smashed glass everywhere AND some scrote had left a fire smoldering in the dark.

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    The popular dog walking spots that we use are usually far out the way from streets (eg. one is a 30 minute walk from the village just to get to the beachy area) which means normally the only people that use it are dog walkers...there's dog poo everywhere (a whole other rant...), sheep bones and litter washed up by the tide on beaches...but it's better than smashed glass, fires, chocolate bars and cooked chicken bones...
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2016 6:08pm (Jan 5th 2016)
     
    Red, there are are halfwit pillocks everywhere I'm afraid, who think it's their right to tell people how to live their lives and train their dogs/kids or think they can drop what they like wherever they like. All you can do is exactly what you did - rise above it and make things safe for others. And HOPE that they follow your example - although that sort rarely do. Keep on doing the wonderful job you're doing, cherub. :heart:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJan 6th, 2016 10:46pm (Jan 6th 2016)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Thanks CC :) Me and Lyle talked about it and next time we're just not going to engage with them at all - just a quick "Yeah we're not interested, thanks." I just don't see the point talking to them, as they're never going to listen...
    • CommentAuthorollie in UK
    • CommentTimeJan 6th, 2016 10:54pm (Jan 6th 2016) edited
     
    What a wonderful bloke you've gotten there, Red!
    He is so laid back and so understanding.

    Is his grandad available???

    :face-angel:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 7th, 2016 7:05pm (Jan 7th 2016)
     
    :rolling: Ooo, butter wouldn't melt, would it Ollie? :rolling:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJan 7th, 2016 9:28pm (Jan 7th 2016)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Ollie I cannot describe how lucky I am to have Lyle in my life. He puts up with so much and he's honestly the most gentle and calm person I've ever met. He takes everything in his stride and puts those he cares about before himself. I adore this buffoon :tooth:

    I've had a really bad migraine the last few days (note to self: retching at the side of a road whilst also trying to seem very happy so you don't upset your puppy is not good!!) and Lyle has rocked looking after me and walking the dogs when I've been sleeping...which has been most the time :rolling:
    Our start to the year is continuing to be rotten and I don't know what I'd do without him :)
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJan 10th, 2016 6:45am (Jan 10th 2016) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    rant: people who don't pick up after their dogs.

    Every place we walk our dogs around here is littered with poo...is it because most the walks are kinda out the way, so people think it's not needed because it's mainly other dog walkers who go there?? Whatever it is, it's disgusting...even in these temperatures the beach stinks :sad:

    We were on a tarmac path yesterday and Kasper did a poo. I went to pick it up and spotted five GIGANTIC poops in a 2ft radius...honestly, what's the point? That path is like that all the way down as well.

    A couple brought a toddler and their dog to the beach whilst we were there yesterday, and I felt sorry for them because it's just gross having kids around poo...then their dog did a poo, which both the adults clearly saw, and neither picked it up. Are you kidding me?!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJan 10th, 2016 7:00am (Jan 10th 2016)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    This, among many many other reasons, is why I would never send my dogs to a training camp...

    http://counton2.com/2016/01/08/local-couple-says-dogs-came-back-from-upstate-trainer-severely-starved-and-dehydrated/
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2016 8:20pm (Jan 11th 2016)
     
    OMG, Red..that "trainer" should be put in jail for what he did to those 2 dogs.:cursing:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJan 13th, 2016 12:37am (Jan 13th 2016)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Board and train facilities don't seem to be too common here...I've never trusted them though. No matter how many times you look around and speak to the trainer, you still really have no idea what methods they use or how they will interact with your dog when nobody is watching. It also confuses me because the whole point of dog training is to teach the owner how to effectively teach their dog...kinda hard to do when the owner isn't there :bigsmile:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 13th, 2016 4:45pm (Jan 13th 2016)
     
    But symptomatic of today when people just want a finished product but can't be bothered to put the work in to achieve it themselves...like boarding schools! :tooth:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 13th, 2016 7:57pm (Jan 13th 2016)
     
    Very true CC.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJan 17th, 2016 5:03pm (Jan 17th 2016)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    We went to help out a fearful dog a while back who had issues with strangers, and the owner didn't seem to understand at all that they had to continue the training...it was sad as the dog had such potential, and could overcome her fears in a few minutes, but the owner wanted us to give her an immediate fix so they wouldn't need to do anything themselves...very sad.

    rant: ever since we adopted Kasper, there's a very high chance that wormers will make him sick...it happens almost every time, and some brands will definitely make him sick.

    It took us a while to figure out this was happening, as dogs can be sick for lots of different reasons. At 9 months old Kasper was eating all sorts and was quite often sick, and pet shops / vets also denied there ever being a chance of a wormer making him sick. I know there's a brand that has a lower chance of making him vomit, but it wasn't the one we tried last night!!

    Milbemax is supposed to be one of the best wormers (and is the one EVERY vet tries to put both our dogs on!) but it can be deadly to Collie 'type' dogs, and can cause seizures. Kasper is half Border Collie, so why the hell are they recommending this?!

    Anyway I've done some research into natural wormers. Pumpkin seeds are apparently pretty good, so we will buy some in, and I also found a product called Four Seasons. It's completely natural, has good reviews, and isn't expensive / is available in the UK. So we're going to give it a shot
    :)

    You can use it on a variety of animals (including cats), and the ingredients are:
    Herbal content - Hibiscus, Thyme, Ginger Root, Cloves, natural salts, organic Bitter Apple
    Homeopathic content - Filix-mas 12x, Cina 12x, Ferrum-met 12x, Sulphur 30, Abrotanium 12x, Teucrium-mar 12x
    http://www.theneemteam.co.uk/four-seasons-intestinal-hygiene-control-50ml/

    This bottle should last a LONG time and costs £7.50...and hopefully it won't make my baby sick!

    I also want to buy a natural flea & tick product in that we found, but it only ships from America and works out really expensive. I think I've posted about it before though, but it seems really good - it even works on head lice!
    http://www.wondercide.com/indoor-natural-pest-control-kills-repels-100s-of-pests-biodefense/
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 17th, 2016 8:40pm (Jan 17th 2016)
     
    How do dogs get worms? Cats get them from eating prey, but dogs don't tend to do that do they? I don't worm or flea treat mine regularly, I treat symptomatically. I've seen cats with terrible 'burns' on their necks from some flea treatments when they're sensitive. The fleas around here seem to be immune to frontline now. I comb them regularly. Have more trouble with head lice on the granddaughter!!!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJan 18th, 2016 6:57pm (Jan 18th 2016)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Eating poop? Dead animals? Rotten food? Not sure. We've never had any issues with worms though, other than when we first adopted Kasper and Zoey, so we treated everyone on a 6 monthly basis instead of every 3. We've never had an issue with fleas but we do have ticks, so the past few years we've been very strict about flea & tick prevention between April and September.

    There's one spot on treatment in particular (I forget the name) that melts plastic and leather if the dog comes into contact with them soon after being applied. I read several cases. One owners' leather couch was ruined, and a Poodle that had been popped in their crate shortly after having the spot on put on...well, the plastic melted and became stuck to the Poodle's fur. Yeuch!

    I am horrified with the amount of chemicals we are told need to be put on / in our dogs. Very happy we do our own research and I've found some natural alternatives...I know all the scaremongering info vets pump out does worry me, but you've got to do what you think is best, and we've put a lot of research into it!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 18th, 2016 7:56pm (Jan 18th 2016)
     
    It's like all the treatments they recommend - because of insurance they seem to think it's acceptable to continue to treat even when they should be allowed to go. I like an honest vet who will do the right thing by the animal. I'm not sure about the effectiveness of some of the herbal treatments but they're worth a try! If the dogs have worms you'll see them in their poop!

    That is awful about the flea treatment. I know that dog treatments are toxic to cats. If they can do that to plastic and leather what can they do to the poor animal's skin!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJan 19th, 2016 2:18pm (Jan 19th 2016) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Our vet now is wonderful at listening to how we ask her to behave with our dogs, helping them feel comfortable and she really does try hard to do everything as kindly as possible...but she's all about the wormer, the spot on treatments and the vaccinations :/ It confuses me how all the surgeries get away with telling people to vaccinate their dogs yearly, because even most the companies that manufacture the vaccinations advise for a three yearly basis now.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 20th, 2016 8:16pm (Jan 20th 2016)
     
    Because they don't read the new guidance and don't want to miss out on an annual income from the majority of their registered dogs!!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 23rd, 2016 10:29pm (Jan 23rd 2016) edited
     
    Not really a rant - bad news. The mom of one of the boys that used to play hockey with my youngest has died. I don't know the details, but it's really upset me. She was a bit quirky and quite a few parents weren't very nice about her, but I always got on OK with her and we had a laugh. Last time I saw her was about 6 years ago when we randomly bumped into her in Sheffield. It has made me feel really 'mortal'. I'm obviously getting to that age where my friends will start to die, but to lose 3 hockey parents in 3 years, all similar age to me makes me sad and quite frightened. Rest in peace Violet.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 24th, 2016 5:08pm (Jan 24th 2016)
     
    Bless her - do you know what happened, Kate? Don't go to ice hockey again; it's obviously dangerous...:face-sad:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 24th, 2016 7:55pm (Jan 24th 2016)
     
    No, not at the moment. Another friend saw her hubby before Christmas, and he said she hadn't been well but was much better now. The friend was due to see him again around Christmas as he was due to do some work for her but he didn't show up-she's glad she didn't chase him up.
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeJan 29th, 2016 11:24am (Jan 29th 2016)
     
    Sorry to hear about your friend Kate xxxx
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 29th, 2016 7:22pm (Jan 29th 2016)
     
    Poor man. How's he doing, Kate? I find men are harder hit than women in finding it more difficult to cope.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 29th, 2016 10:32pm (Jan 29th 2016)
     
    Thanks. xx I don't know CC, I haven't been in touch with him and don't have his contact details. They lived in Derby, that's as much as I know now.
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st, 2016 9:56pm (Feb 21st 2016)
     
    Not a rant just wanted to say our little Daisy cat had to go to the vets today as she really poorly. She was diagnosed with a heart condition We have to take her back Tuesday for blood tests and such. She is still trying to be a happy little puss Bless her its so sad when they get old and poorly. So its fingers crossed they can do something for her xxx
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeFeb 22nd, 2016 1:38pm (Feb 22nd 2016) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Oh no NN, I'm sorry to hear that :( Kasper will be six this year and I'm already worrying about him getting old...the worst thing about most pets, most have such short lifespans compared to us :( I hope you get the most positive results you can, giving Daisy my love :heart:
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeFeb 22nd, 2016 3:10pm (Feb 22nd 2016)
     
    Thank you for your kind thoughts my lovely. She is outside sitting on the summer house porch in the sun at the moment. She can still get up on the garage roof and I spotted her walking along the fence earlier so there is hope yet xxxxx Animals seem to cope with illness and their demise so well I am sure they know stuff that we dont so have no worries about it xxx
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeFeb 22nd, 2016 5:33pm (Feb 22nd 2016)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Awww bless her, so glad she is enjoying herself :heart:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeFeb 22nd, 2016 11:55pm (Feb 22nd 2016)
     
    How old is she NN? It is sad when they get older but I do think you're right about them knowing more. My friend's cat was19 and had been ill for a few years but was doing ok with meds etc. She went to work after spending the evening with him and an hour in the morning, but when she returned home he'd passed away but was in the same place he was when she left so must've gone just after she left the house. (Ooo, that's a bit rambling-it's late, I need to go to bed!)
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd, 2016 1:54pm (Feb 23rd 2016)
     
    We have had her thirteen years Kate but she was a rescue cat so I dont really know her age for sure. She goes to vets again this afternoon so will let you know what they say.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd, 2016 5:44pm (Feb 23rd 2016)
     
    Bless her - keep us posted NN...
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd, 2016 6:56pm (Feb 23rd 2016)
     
    Daisy update she had her bloods taken and so did the vet She was warned but of course being a vet they know better !!! She has to have half of a wincey little tablet every day to keep any fluids from her Lungs. Goodness knows how we will cope with cutting that tablet in half. She has an extremely bad heart condition and could go at any time. She has to go in for a heart scan on Friday. So its still fingers crossed for her. She seems to be cheerful enough and is out and about. At the moment she is mad at me cos I wont let her outside its very cold here tonight so its best she stays in and nice and cosy.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeFeb 24th, 2016 10:06am (Feb 24th 2016)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Hahahaha oh dear, poor vet and poor Daisy :rolling: Oh bless her, well as long as she is happy and enjoying herself all is well and good. It really is the worst when you can see your pets getting old / ill, it's why I don't particularly want mice again, the short lifespans are just so difficult to deal with...around here mice don't seem very well bred at all, and I can't cope with only having 6-10 months with them :sad:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeFeb 24th, 2016 10:36pm (Feb 24th 2016)
     
    Yes it's why I won't have rats too Red.

    Poor Daisy, it's good that they don't understand these things so can't worry - we do enough of that for them. I had a pill splitter when I had the rats as they needed a quarter of a tablet. I'm pretty sure I bought it from the chemist / Boots. It split the pill one side and crushed it the other. Otherwise get GN to find a razor blade and chop them all in half. They should have a split line marked on them.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeFeb 25th, 2016 5:38pm (Feb 25th 2016)
     
    Yes, a chemist will get you a pill splitter - ours came from Boots but we ordered it as they didn't keep them in.
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th, 2016 11:15am (Feb 26th 2016)
     
    Thanks for the advice about the pill splitter thats a really good idea. Daisy was supposed to go for a ultra sound today but I cancelled it as it distresses her so much just getting in her travelling accommodation. Quite honestly I can not see the point of it anyhow as it wont make her better and they made such an awful mess of her neck its totally black and blue. They said keep her stress free as she can go at any time and if they are going to manhandle her about trying to do it when she is awake she will fight like a demon so that wont do her any good. Also we have lost a cat with heart problems before when they tried to exrayhim while anaesthetised.She seems to be a lot more comfortable just taking the tablets so I will wait for the results of her bloods to come through and decide from them.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th, 2016 11:46am (Feb 26th 2016) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    NN I think you do right and absolutely agree, especially somewhere where the staff are so rough. I won't do vet visits unless absolutely necessary, unless the animal in question won't be massively stressed out by them...I would consider taking Raiden and some of our rodents to the vets, but would not consider outside of something urgent for Kasper, the quail or Aubree.

    *edit* hope that comment makes sense, it is confusing my head :rolling:
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th, 2016 12:47pm (Feb 26th 2016)
     
    Thank you my lovely I know exactly what you mean and it is so kind of you to care xx G/North took her as I haven't been to well and he just said yes thinking it would make her better and be the best for her. He is so upset as she is his little girl, He choose her and named her and was so very pleased to bring her into the family. I had a long talk with him about it and he totally agreed with me. She is being so good taking her tablet from him. I was in bed all day yesterday quite poorly and he came running upstairs to tell me that her and Sootz had just seen off a stranger cat in our garden so at least they are both looking after each other even if she still keeps Sootz under the thumb Ha ha
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th, 2016 10:07pm (Feb 26th 2016)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Aw poor GN :( Poor you as well, I hope you are feeling a little better now :flowers: