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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeSep 24th, 2008 4:46pm (Sep 24th 2008)
     
    Too late, mate. Still, it's as well she were corrupted before Uni did it to her! :D
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      CommentAuthorhello people=p
    • CommentTimeSep 25th, 2008 7:32pm (Sep 25th 2008)
     
    eekkkk you lot are minging!!!!! now shes not the only corrupted one........
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      CommentAuthorhello people=p
    • CommentTimeSep 25th, 2008 7:33pm (Sep 25th 2008)
     
    THAT IS SO DISGUSTING IT DESERVES TO BE WRITTEN IN CAPITAL LETTERS!!!!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeSep 26th, 2008 5:51pm (Sep 26th 2008)
     
    Not disgusting; just historical fact. Or perhaps hysterical...
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      CommentAuthorhello people=p
    • CommentTimeSep 27th, 2008 1:49pm (Sep 27th 2008)
     
    hmph still DISGUSTING!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeSep 30th, 2008 5:25pm (Sep 30th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Disgusting or disturbing? Or both? ;)
    • CommentAuthorhqtrev
    • CommentTimeOct 1st, 2008 10:52am (Oct 1st 2008)
     
    I have forgotten what is so disgusting.... and that disturbs me...
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 1st, 2008 4:39pm (Oct 1st 2008)
     
    Merkins; the real meaning thereof. That's what was so (new Hencam word) disgurbing!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 1st, 2008 10:15pm (Oct 1st 2008)
     
    What does Y mean in Merkin? As in '...at the 95th Street Y'?
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeOct 2nd, 2008 1:31am (Oct 2nd 2008)
     
    Posted By: hqtrevI have forgotten what is so disgusting.... and that disturbs me...
    FOFL

    'Y,' in that sentence is short for YMCA. (Young Men's Christian Association - I believe.) We really only use the acronym here. Its basically a charity. They provide cheap temporary housing for homeless people and travelers. Also lots of other services. There's an interesting song about them as well, referring to their reputation for being a center of homosexual interaction.

    It would be 'YWCA,' if the character in your book is a woman.

    95th Street - is that in New York? I almost stayed there in the mid-1980's.
    • CommentAuthorhqtrev
    • CommentTimeOct 2nd, 2008 8:39am (Oct 2nd 2008)
     
    Does "Merkin" mean "American" ?
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 2nd, 2008 5:02pm (Oct 2nd 2008)
     
    Erm yes, Trev; read back about 40 posts on THIS THREAD! :D
    Um, I can't remember what number street it was, Diane; I just put that for the sake of it.
    As someone who has serious problems with numbers, it's just as well I wasn't born in New York...I would have been utterly lost for most of my lifetime...
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeOct 2nd, 2008 5:19pm (Oct 2nd 2008)
     
    It sounded like your question was from reading a novel. Right? Was it about New York? If it was - it was the same place I almost stayed. (I don't remember the number either. NY tends to be the place with numbered street like that, that appears in books anyway.)
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 2nd, 2008 5:30pm (Oct 2nd 2008) edited
     
    Yes; it was a surprisingly good chick-lit novel about a kleptomaniac girl who falls for a lawyer (and vice versa) but the lawyer specialises in shop security/fraud in New York. I bought the book in the charity shop and have had it for aaaaages but put off reading it because I thought it'd be naff. Excellent judgement, as always...:\:)
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      CommentAuthorhello people=p
    • CommentTimeOct 11th, 2008 10:54pm (Oct 11th 2008)
     
    hmmmm...
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeDec 10th, 2008 12:33pm (Dec 10th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    New word for the dictionary:
    Gip ~
    To retch or almost be sick :ack2:

    (discovered that nobody about from the Yorkshire people knew the meaning of this word at uni, we just got odd looks! :P )
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd, 2009 5:22pm (Jan 3rd 2009)
     
    bump
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      CommentAuthorAce
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd, 2009 5:28pm (Jan 3rd 2009)
     
    :bump:
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      CommentAuthorJonny
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd, 2009 5:32pm (Jan 3rd 2009) edited
     
    Bump: To cause a thread of discussion to bubble to the top of the most recently active threads. A good way to revive old conversations or to keep a rarely used ones alive.
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      CommentAuthorAce
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd, 2009 5:36pm (Jan 3rd 2009)
     
    We should do that with the r*nny p** thread when noone has posted on that for a while!
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      CommentAuthorJonny
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd, 2009 5:40pm (Jan 3rd 2009)
     
    Something for Diane to look forward to when she's not working!
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      CommentAuthorAce
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd, 2009 5:51pm (Jan 3rd 2009)
     
    Sure is. ;)
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 4th, 2009 6:16pm (Jan 4th 2009)
     
    Trev - or Julie ; can you tell me if the word 'lolly' is Strine for any form of sucky sweetie? It's only used for a sweetie on a stick here. I'm reading an Oz book, and it doesn't make sense otherwise. Ta!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 4th, 2009 6:22pm (Jan 4th 2009) edited
     
    *There's a hen caught under my harpsichord* - a CCism, having the meaning: I am withholding my true feelings; I'd answer that (thing you just said) but I am culturally bound not to. Americans do not have a use for this phrase.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 4th, 2009 6:23pm (Jan 4th 2009)
     
    :rolling:
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 4th, 2009 6:23pm (Jan 4th 2009)
     
    Acie, Jonny - :_oh_really:
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 4th, 2009 6:24pm (Jan 4th 2009)
     
    Hi CC!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 4th, 2009 6:26pm (Jan 4th 2009)
     
    Hello, cherub; how's it going?
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 4th, 2009 6:30pm (Jan 4th 2009)
     
    Very well. My back feels so much better. How's your breathing apparatus?
    •  
      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 4th, 2009 6:33pm (Jan 4th 2009)
     
    Functioning...noisily! :)
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 4th, 2009 6:37pm (Jan 4th 2009)
     
    Well, that's the better option. I hope you are back to 100% very soon.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 4th, 2009 6:38pm (Jan 4th 2009)
     
    Ta! So does LSE...he says it's like sleeping with an accordion.:D
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      CommentAuthorAce
    • CommentTimeJan 4th, 2009 9:13pm (Jan 4th 2009)
     
    Posted By: DianeonWhidbeyAcie, Jonny- :_oh_really:




    :na:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 4th, 2009 9:17pm (Jan 4th 2009)
     
    Ooo, you're asking for it, Acie!
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      CommentAuthorAce
    • CommentTimeJan 4th, 2009 9:18pm (Jan 4th 2009) edited
     
    Sorry Diane. ;)
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2009 5:24pm (Jan 5th 2009)
     
    Oh, I'm sure you are sorry Acie - nevertheless!!!


    Myspace Animals IconsWot? You think that's snow on the kitty's head? Nah, don't look up when you hear *thrrrp, thrrrp, thrrrp* above you. That'll be the sound of giant wings flapping as the behemoth sea gull I sent you arrives. You might want to consider wearing a hat for awhile...
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2009 7:11pm (Jan 5th 2009)
     
    For someone who's dedicated her life to helping and counselling others...she's not v. nice, is she? :D
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      CommentAuthorJonny
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2009 8:36pm (Jan 5th 2009)
     
    Well all those bad feelings have to go somewhere...kind of like a DC or Marvel comic thing, you know. Counselor by day - "Releasor of large flapping behemothic sea gulls by night".:

    Sorry Dia- [*thwap*] .... eewwww! Great buckets of R*nny p**! Arrgh.

    Jonny disappears under a great white-wash of r*nny p**...no one EVER knew what happened!

    :clap:
    • CommentAuthorollie in UK
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2009 9:58pm (Jan 5th 2009)
     
    and no one ever saw him again............
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2009 10:48pm (Jan 5th 2009)
     
    Its good to see runny poo permeating every thread again!

    Lolly = money?
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      CommentAuthorJonny
    • CommentTimeJan 6th, 2009 3:20am (Jan 6th 2009) edited
     
    Oh dear... :scared:
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      CommentAuthorJonny
    • CommentTimeJan 6th, 2009 3:25am (Jan 6th 2009) edited
     
    Oh DEAR...
    :scared:
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      CommentAuthorJonny
    • CommentTimeJan 6th, 2009 3:33am (Jan 6th 2009) edited
     
    Run Jonny RUUNNNN!
    :scared:     :_oh_really:

    Oooh.. aren't mischevious today! hee-hee
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 6th, 2009 2:58pm (Jan 6th 2009)
     
    :snow:
    Ooo look! A snowman!
    O no it isn't....it's Jonny. Diane's RP Gull Strike Squad must've caught 'im...:rip: So we put RP on his headstone...:D
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 6th, 2009 6:01pm (Jan 6th 2009)
     
    FOFL Oh boy. You guys...

    *Ok, ... recovers, wipes tears from eyes*

    Well, its good to see that Jonny will self inflict his own punishment. Saves me some energy. :P
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 6th, 2009 8:04pm (Jan 6th 2009)
     
    You're a hard, hard woman...
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      CommentAuthorJonny
    • CommentTimeJan 6th, 2009 11:29pm (Jan 6th 2009)
     
    MMM I love fofl...haven't had that in years.
    • CommentAuthorluvhens
    • CommentTimeJan 8th, 2009 3:43pm (Jan 8th 2009)
     
    What is fofl???
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      CommentAuthorAce
    • CommentTimeJan 8th, 2009 4:03pm (Jan 8th 2009)
     
    FOFL = Fall on floor laughing.
    • CommentAuthorluvhens
    • CommentTimeJan 8th, 2009 6:13pm (Jan 8th 2009)
     
    I like that too. Have you ever heard of FUBAR? It's sort of not nice to say but still funny.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 8th, 2009 6:15pm (Jan 8th 2009)
     
    No, but now you have to tell us - politely! :)
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 8th, 2009 6:22pm (Jan 8th 2009)
     
    :rolling: I looked it up! It means...broken...:)
    • CommentAuthorluvhens
    • CommentTimeJan 8th, 2009 8:45pm (Jan 8th 2009) edited
     
    :surprised:OK. Politely...F@#$%* Up Beyond All Recognition. So bad. Hee Hee
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2009 6:12pm (Jan 9th 2009)
     
    Naughty girl. I can see I'm going to like you....:)
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2009 6:17pm (Jan 9th 2009) edited
     
    Jonny likes falafal - and me too!!! Slurp.

    Oh. Rhonda that IS funny. :D
    • CommentAuthorluvhens
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2009 6:26pm (Jan 9th 2009)
     
    You can use it as a word in a sentence like 'this is so fubar'.:wink:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJun 15th, 2009 8:42pm (Jun 15th 2009)
     
    What on earth is a 'maple stick'?? I've just read a merkin book where the copper is in the car drinking Starbuck's (which, unfortunately, we have here) and eating a maple stick! I'm envisaging a twig...:shocked:
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeJun 15th, 2009 10:21pm (Jun 15th 2009)
     
    it is a long twisted type of doughnut CC rather like the yum yums we have over here. It is maple syrup and pecan flavour usually.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJun 15th, 2009 11:36pm (Jun 15th 2009)
     
    :rolling:
    That makes far more sense than a twig...comes of being born in a furniture town!:D Ta, NN!
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeJun 16th, 2009 8:17am (Jun 16th 2009)
     
    Nothing wrong with that we all need furniture Ha ha No probs mate.... Cor I could just eat one myself thinking of them. I remember reading about Hershey bars and fancying them. The first time I went to America it was my main theing to try. I kept on about them and my Hubby kept telling me oh you won't like them not a bit like the chocolate you are used to. Eventually I got some and he was right.... yuck nasty nasty so that burst that bubble Ha ha.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJun 16th, 2009 3:39pm (Jun 16th 2009)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Haha, totally random but I never realised the word gip is actually a Yorkshire term...no wonder my uni friends had no idea what it meant :)
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJun 16th, 2009 6:09pm (Jun 16th 2009)
     
    I'm doing my best with Diane, NN - I'm sending her Cadbury's every now and then. I look on it as missionary work...
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeJun 17th, 2009 1:11am (Jun 17th 2009)
     
    I tell you what I do really like is the Reeses peanut butter cups. You couldn't get them over here until a Walmart took over Asda so some good came out of that deal ha ha
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJun 17th, 2009 4:24pm (Jun 17th 2009)
     
    But the PB is still in that disgusting 'chocolate' (for want of a better word...!).
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJun 17th, 2009 7:00pm (Jun 17th 2009)
     
    Reese's Peanut Butter Cups YEEEES!!! :D I've never heard of a *maple stick* either. Maple bars, however are very common here - an oblong shaped donut with no hole in the middle with a frosting of maple flavored cream on the top. Nice with coffee.
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeJun 17th, 2009 8:08pm (Jun 17th 2009)
     
    The Reeses chocolate isn't as nasty as the Hershey chocolate.
    There used to be a dunking doughnut bar in Piccadilly circus London. Oh my they were lovely just like the ones in America.
    We used to go summer evenings just to have a coffee and doughnuts and watch the world go by. It was also a must at Christmas... a trip to see the lights, window shop and have coffee and doughnuts..
    Sadly they have closed it down now, although we live to far away now for anymore evening jaunts into London
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJun 17th, 2009 10:09pm (Jun 17th 2009)
     
    I went to that Dunkin Doughnut place yeeeeeeeeeeeeeears ago; in fact I think it was on the way back from a Sunday School trip. Best thing I'd ever tasted to that point in my life!
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeJun 17th, 2009 10:34pm (Jun 17th 2009)
     
    Ohhhh goody I am glad you found it as well they were mega nice and so many different ones... so much nicer than the fried gritty sugar ones we are used to.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJun 18th, 2009 6:03pm (Jun 18th 2009)
     
    Right, tonight Simpsons, Bart was writing lines on the board; 'Sherri does not "got back" '
    What the hell does that mean, please?
    PS I like the fried sugary jammy ones as well. But they're illegal now...:(
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeJun 18th, 2009 8:50pm (Jun 18th 2009)
     
    Haven't a clue also why does his mum have bright blue hair/
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJun 18th, 2009 11:01pm (Jun 18th 2009)
     
    And why are they yellow people with 3 fingers & a thumb, come to that? Jaundice I understand, and genetic mutation...but not together (with blue hair). Also they drive on the WRONG side of the road.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJun 19th, 2009 7:51pm (Jun 19th 2009)
     
    Posted By: chief chickenRight, tonight Simpsons, Bart was writing lines on the board; 'Sherri does not "got back" '
    What the hell does that mean, please?
    I don't know what it means either! Hmmm. Not hip enough I guess. Lets see though. He's being punished so what he actually said was: *Sherri's got back.* But - don't know what that means either...
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJun 19th, 2009 8:00pm (Jun 19th 2009)
     
    Good...not just me then! :D
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJun 19th, 2009 10:09pm (Jun 19th 2009)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Not a clue either CC *shrug*
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      CommentAuthorJonny
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd, 2009 1:53am (Jun 22nd 2009)
     
    Posted By: chief chickenAnd why are they yellow people with 3 fingers & a thumb, come to that?


    Its a cartoon people..all bets are off! Cartoons are the best way to challenge current PC thinking...Its much easier to do it in some foreign format (aka not "news") than to do it with live people....:)
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd, 2009 6:45pm (Jun 22nd 2009)
     
    Made me laugh when they met some 'five-fingered freaks' in one episode! :D
    • CommentAuthorollie in UK
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd, 2009 8:49pm (Jun 22nd 2009)
     
    Homer is the double of my hubby, though he had a redder hue - and a full complement of fingers.

    My three children are almost the same too..
    First - the gifted child
    Second - a boy but that is about the only similarity
    Third - always my baby! (Though she's fifty this year!- we have got her out of diapers and one piece suits at last)

    As for me - well I don't have blue hair but there's a thought - and I am not slim, never was.... though I can see a lot of myself in Marge.

    Did you know Homer's middle name is Jay? Look him up in Wikipedia.

    There is a wonderful tv prog that is about the voices of the Simpson prog.,
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd, 2009 10:02pm (Jun 22nd 2009)
     
    CC - did you know that yurts have long memories?
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd, 2009 10:11pm (Jun 22nd 2009)
     
    :confused:Eh? No comprendo...I thought yurts had holes in the roof to let the smoke out...
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJun 23rd, 2009 1:18am (Jun 23rd 2009)
     
    Yurt.
    • CommentAuthorShobhna
    • CommentTimeJun 26th, 2009 2:13pm (Jun 26th 2009)
     
    Init Sister wandered into thsi threas and wandered out again.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJun 26th, 2009 6:52pm (Jun 26th 2009)
     
    :hiwave:Hello Init! Bye Init!:go:
    • CommentAuthorShobhna
    • CommentTimeJun 26th, 2009 9:57pm (Jun 26th 2009)
     
    Init can't even spell. too much red wine methinks :-)
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJun 27th, 2009 2:06pm (Jun 27th 2009)
     
    Posted By: init sister too much red wine methinks

    No such thing...:drinkparty:
    • CommentAuthorShobhna
    • CommentTimeJun 29th, 2009 1:40pm (Jun 29th 2009)
     
    Lady after my own heart.
    we need to do a red wine drinking session very very soon. :-)

    BTW....those orchids are still blooming.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJun 29th, 2009 3:05pm (Jun 29th 2009)
     
    :shocked: Really??? :shocked: Blimey, when was your birthday?
    • CommentAuthorShobhna
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd, 2009 1:29pm (Jul 2nd 2009)
     
    yes...maybe just me being lucky but I still have about 9 stems left with many blooms on it.
    Birthday was 8th May...longst lasting flowers I have ever had. :-)
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd, 2009 5:50pm (Jul 2nd 2009)
     
    You have checked that they aren't silk...? :rolling: :)
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd, 2009 10:23pm (Jul 2nd 2009)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Does anyone else ever use / has heard of the word hoick or hoik?

    As in, "you can't hoick that suitcase up the stairs!"
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd, 2009 12:00am (Jul 3rd 2009)
     
    Yes, we used that word when I was little. "Hoick your trouser leg up and let me put a plaster on your knee". (I was always injured!)
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd, 2009 2:09am (Jul 3rd 2009)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Yep, that's the one!

    Just wondered, as typed it in on word and it couldn't find it, so googled it and that didn't find it much either...wondered if i'd made it up :)
    • CommentAuthorhqtrev
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd, 2009 6:01am (Jul 3rd 2009)
     
    I use it all the time... when I yell "Hoi kan ya grab me another beer !!"
    • CommentAuthorollie in UK
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd, 2009 9:42am (Jul 3rd 2009) edited
     
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJul 6th, 2009 8:01pm (Jul 6th 2009)
     
    Can I ask Them Over There what is meant by the term 'pumps' for footwear? Here they're dead flat things, but this writer seems to think they're sexy...
    • CommentAuthorollie in UK
    • CommentTimeJul 6th, 2009 9:18pm (Jul 6th 2009)
     
    I always called Plimsols by the name Pumps.

    At the moment fashion "pumps" refer to a flat shoe, more like a ballet shoe but suitable for outdoor wear.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJul 7th, 2009 5:10am (Jul 7th 2009)
     
    I think they are flat soled - but they have to have a girlie design to them to be called pumps. Hence the sexiness.
    • CommentAuthorShobhna
    • CommentTimeJul 7th, 2009 1:43pm (Jul 7th 2009)
     
    CC..those orchids are still flowering and no ....not silk...:-) :-)
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJul 7th, 2009 6:33pm (Jul 7th 2009)
     
    Solves the mystery; I was thinking along the same lines as Ollie, black elasticated plimsolls! Ta!
    I can't believe those orchids, Init; at this rate we won't need to send you any next year!
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJul 7th, 2009 10:48pm (Jul 7th 2009)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I used to wear pumps for PE at primary school :)
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeFeb 9th, 2010 3:50pm (Feb 9th 2010)
     
    Orright, this is one for Trev and Julie; what's a Cherry Ripe? I'm reading about an Aussie tourist whose 'Cherry Ripe' stash was decimated by customs who broke into some to inspect them. So what are they? help please!