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      CommentAuthorChicken Wing
    • CommentTimeJul 5th, 2011 8:14pm (Jul 5th 2011)
     
    Can you please help me to try to diagnose my Blossom hens illness.

    Symptoms are;

    Not eating
    Twisting of Neck - looks like she is trying to swallow
    Fluid filled crop
    Very lethargic

    I have taken her to the vet for advice but even they were unsure as to what might be causing these symptoms. She has had a steroid injection and an antibiotic injection. I suggested Flubenvet and the vet has given me Baytril and some Antepsin (in case of possible ulcerations in the crop).

    Now all I have to do is wait and see. Not sure though how I am going to get Blossom to eat the food that contains Flubenvet.

    The vet was surprised to see fluid draining from her beak when she picked her up. The vet described it as like Blossom retching being sick. I didn't think that chickens could be sick!

    Does anyone have any ideas?

    CW
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJul 6th, 2011 11:25am (Jul 6th 2011) edited
     
    Hi CW, sorry to hear your chuck is ill :(

    It's a toughie, I'll admit! I have a few suggestions you might want to talk over with your vet, but nothing certain, sorry.

    1) Vitamin deficiency? Has your vet ruled this out? I know vitamin deficiency in chickens can cause twisted necks and depressed behaviour. This is a good link all about vitamin deficiencies:
    http://www.smallstock.info/info/health/poult-nutrit.htm

    2) Poisoning of some kind. Where is your food stored for the girls? Is it fresh, any chance it has gotten mouldy or damp? Any way your vet can check for poisoning? Does the comb look normal?

    3) A very very impacted / sour crop?

    4) Marek's?? I hope not, but has your vet ruled this out? Symptoms can include paralysis, the chicken's irises turning to grey, depressed behaviour, lethargy.

    5) Newcastles disease...another you don't want the bird to have, but symptoms are twisted neck, respiratory problems, poor egg quality, depressed behaviour, coughing sometimes...I think it's *really* rare though.

    I'm really not sure. I hope your vet can run some more tests to rule everything out and find out the problem. Best wishes to you all.
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      CommentAuthorneil
    • CommentTimeJul 6th, 2011 4:09pm (Jul 6th 2011)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I would say it sounds serious enough to maybe warrant finding a vet with lots of chicken experience (if they exist?)

    Possibly look for an agricultural vet they may have a better understanding.

    We know how upsetting and frustrating it can be - when Milly was ill we were told that people usually just culled them when they were ill so it was difficult to actually diagnose on a live bird. :face-sad:

    Good luck and keep us posted.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJul 6th, 2011 6:28pm (Jul 6th 2011)
     
    ...or a vet who's a bird specialist - ? There's one near Maidenhead, CW, I can give you details if you want. I know it's a bit of a schlep from where you are - about 35 miles or so - but might be worth it.
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      CommentAuthorChicken Wing
    • CommentTimeJul 10th, 2011 10:47pm (Jul 10th 2011)
     
    Still no luck with Blossom hen I have been administering the Baytril and Antepsin since Tuesday but it seems to be doing no good the neck twisting is the most upsetting to see. I am worried that it could be Newcastle Disease but as you say the vet will probably say the only way to tell is to put her to sleep and then...!!!

    Her comb is pale and dry and she is hardly eating anything not even a slice of bread when offered.

    I saw her earlier today take a few sips of water but not any where near enough I feel.

    I did find a dead pigeon in the garden today that must have been there a while it was hidden away behind some plant pots, not sure if it was killed by a cat or something or if there was some a more sinister cause:face-sad:
    She may have had access to it but I'm not sure.

    Her eyes are still bright but she seems to be exhausted. But with no food I suppose that is to be expected.

    I have put cider vinegar in her water but as I said she is only taking a few sips.

    I will keep you updated and will look into consulting the vet yet again in the morning.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJul 10th, 2011 10:50pm (Jul 10th 2011)
     
    I'm sorry she's no better CW, fingers crossed that the vet has some other options to try.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJul 11th, 2011 12:09pm (Jul 11th 2011)
     
    Aw CW I hate that :(

    When Milly was slowly deteriorating and we took her to the vet he was **** and all he said was to give her Baytril. It did nothing for her and we just felt helpless as owners as there wasn't anywhere we could go for help.

    Surely there are some sort of tests that can be done?! What about a bird specialist vet??

    It's a horrible situation you're in and I'm not sure there's anything left to suggest, other than just trying to feed her foods that she really likes. You could mix the pellets into mash so she gets a little water that way, and offer her yoghurt and things like that?

    :heart:
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      CommentAuthorChicken Wing
    • CommentTimeJul 13th, 2011 7:48pm (Jul 13th 2011) edited
     
    Bad news I'm afraid.

    I came home from work this evening to find Blossom laying lifeless in the chicken run sadly she had given up her fight for life.

    She was my friend and I will miss her so much and I feel like I let her down by not being here for her. :face-crying:

    She was a lovely girl and always intervened when Bluebell pecked at Snowdrop. She'll have to fend for herself now.

    Wish I could've done more but, I did my best.


    :heart:
    Blossom
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJul 13th, 2011 11:12pm (Jul 13th 2011)
     
    I'm so sorry CW. Don't blame yourself, you did everything you could and she will have known that. She had a good life with you and you will always remember her which is more than most chickens can hope for. Try to remember the good times you had with her to get you through the grief. We're here and understand if you need to 'chat'.

    Sleep soundly Blossom. :heart:
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      CommentAuthorneil
    • CommentTimeJul 14th, 2011 9:24am (Jul 14th 2011)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Aww so sorry to hear that CW...

    It's so hard to get practical (veterinary) help in these cases, but you did what you could (and more - many would have just culled).

    It makes you wonder that a good poultry vet would make a mint now what with the popularity of backyard chickens, but it's a bit like with goldfish (and other "low-value" animals) - cheaper to get rid and replace. :-(

    People thought we were mad when we spent over £100 treating a cancerous lump on one of our lovely rats, but they were like part of the family and lovely, friendly pets - some people (and most vets) can't see that...

    Sorry I'm rambling, but your friends here have probably been through something similar so hopefully we can help share your pain and maybe lessen it with time.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJul 14th, 2011 1:39pm (Jul 14th 2011)
     
    Aw CW I am so so sorry to hear that :(

    You did absolutely everything you could and she knew how hard you tried and how much you loved her :heart:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJul 14th, 2011 5:55pm (Jul 14th 2011)
     
    :heart: So sorry about your news, CW... but you did everything you could. :heart:
    • CommentAuthorleevaux
    • CommentTimeJul 14th, 2011 8:35pm (Jul 14th 2011)
     
    It is so hard to loose someone we love and she new you loved and cared for her CW thinking of you at this sad time Rest in peace Blossom XXXXXXXXXXXXXX :closedeyes:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJul 14th, 2011 11:52pm (Jul 14th 2011)
     
    Like you Red, I spent an absolute fortune on my rats - more than the cats have cost me over the years - but I'd spend every penny again without a second thought.

    I don't think the vet schools teach much about 'minor' pets - its all about money generation. Cats, dogs, rabbits, then big animals like horses, and farm animals but again within reason. I can't imagine a farmer would have the resources to treat all of his animals the way we would our pets. To them its a business. That means the vets don't get chance to learn about things they could do to help as there isn't enough research. You are right though, chickens are fast becoming more and more common and I hope vets see it as an opportunity to learn new things for the benefit of all.
    • CommentAuthorTrevs Mum
    • CommentTimeJul 15th, 2011 10:30am (Jul 15th 2011)
     
    Thinking of you CW:heartbounce: RIP Blossom.
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      CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeJul 17th, 2011 7:10am (Jul 17th 2011)
     
    CW, I'm so very sorry to hear you lost your dear little Blossom. RIP Blossom.:face-sad:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 11th, 2011 7:45pm (Oct 11th 2011)
     
    Now Susannah is ill. Still, fluffed up, hunched up. Given her Baytril, crop is soft, not eating. Any suggestions, anyone, please? Comb and face are pale.
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      CommentAuthorBellmactom
    • CommentTimeOct 11th, 2011 8:25pm (Oct 11th 2011)
     
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeOct 11th, 2011 8:58pm (Oct 11th 2011)
     
    Has she been laying? Possibility of being egg-bound or a blockage? Feel her tummy towards the vent and check for any hard lumps. Does her breath smell, is she panting? Any sign of red mites, at the base of her feathers?
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeOct 11th, 2011 11:00pm (Oct 11th 2011)
     
    Oh CC I do hope she gets well soon....thinking of you with love xxxx
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 11th, 2011 11:57pm (Oct 11th 2011)
     
    Oh no, poor Susannah. They are such a worry - I hope you can find out what's wrong with her CC and that she'll feel better soon.
    • CommentAuthorleevaux
    • CommentTimeOct 12th, 2011 7:51am (Oct 12th 2011)
     
    thinking about you and Susannah CC xxxxxxxxxxxx
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 12th, 2011 7:13pm (Oct 12th 2011)
     
    Good news; we found out our local vet has a 'specialist' in chickens. i put that in inverted commas because she's not really allowed to be called a specialist until she's done loads more exams. BUT...chickens are her 'thing', We took both girls so she could compare, and Susannah is half the weight of Trinny. Caroline says she has an obstruction in her crop, so I have to massage her crop (" There are some excellent chicken forums on the internet who will tell you about this" she said!!) twice a day, give her Metacam drops, keep her off grass/hay for a day and give her nothing but water (with ACV) and yoghurt for a day. Take her back in 2 days if no change, then they might operate...:gasp: Caroline showed me how to do the massage...and eventually gave up as Susannah was going to sleep! Massage tomorrow morning, then into the run on concrete. She's not v. happy at sleeping without her sister though. Thanks for all your help/advice/good wishes. i wish I had seen Caroline with Livia - she might not have died...
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeOct 12th, 2011 8:01pm (Oct 12th 2011)
     
    Ah that's great CC, what a relief to know you have someone so knowledgeable so close in case you ever need her again! I'm so chuffed for you, and wishing Susannah a fast recovery!
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      CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeOct 12th, 2011 8:01pm (Oct 12th 2011)
     
    CC, I'm so glad you found someone who knows about chickens..they are few and far between around here. I Hope Susannah will make a speedy recovery. :heart:
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      CommentAuthorBellmactom
    • CommentTimeOct 12th, 2011 8:45pm (Oct 12th 2011)
     
    Fantastic news that you have a local professional you can call on. Get well soon Susannah !
    • CommentAuthorleevaux
    • CommentTimeOct 12th, 2011 9:43pm (Oct 12th 2011)
     
    Brilliant CC this is such good news you must be so relieved !!

    :face-smile:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 12th, 2011 11:19pm (Oct 12th 2011) edited
     
    Its good to hear that a vet is specialising in something other than the usual dog/cat/horse areas. It sounds like Susannah liked the massage if she was falling asleep! Is the blockage congenital or does she think there's something stuck / growing in there? Or didn't she say?

    I hope Susannah responds well to treatment. Will be thinking about her. :heart:

    (Why can't she sleep with Trinny?)
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 13th, 2011 12:54am (Oct 13th 2011)
     
    She said that Suse had probably eaten a long bit of grass/hay, hence keeping her off grass tomorrow and in a box (miserable, on her own without her sister) under the harpsichord in the music room tonight....just one night, I hope.
    Gave her yoghurt which she stood in. Feathery feet/yoghurt/t-shirt interface = interesting design, would probably sell well on Camden Lock market...
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeOct 13th, 2011 2:33pm (Oct 13th 2011) edited
     
    It's known as a crop impaction or an impacted crop...a chicken eats a lot of long grass, string or other such thing and it knots inside the crop and causes a blockage.
    http://www.hencam.co.uk/hencam_forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=686&page=1#Item_9

    I suppose the vet wanted to keep them apart so that Susannah couldn't eat the normal food but would stick to yoghurt...?
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 13th, 2011 7:03pm (Oct 13th 2011)
     
    I also thought it would tell me how much Susannah was eating - and Trinny was more than willing to help her clear it up!
    The crop is better and soft today; took her back to the vet as she's off from tomorrow to Tuesday so wanted to make sure I wasn't just being optimistic! However, Suse is v. sleepy...although I think sleep is a healing thing. I still have to massage the crop, and keep offering her water from a syringe and beaten egg as well as the yog. And she still has to be away from grass/hay. Trinny is refusing to go to bed and was balanced on the signpost in the garden - took a bit of catching and all!
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeOct 13th, 2011 9:33pm (Oct 13th 2011) edited
     
    So pleased you found a good vet for your girls and boys CC. I hope she is fully recovered very soon. Mine always manage to stomp about in their yoghurt as well.....must be a hen thing.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 13th, 2011 11:21pm (Oct 13th 2011)
     
    Trinny is probably worried about her sister too. Can chickens vomit? I just wondered if she'd throw it up or if it had to go through her and out the other end!

    That t-shirt sounds interesting CC, could be a nice little side-line for you!!!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 14th, 2011 5:52pm (Oct 14th 2011)
     
    She took a turn for the worse and died in my arms this morning. But she knew she was loved, and I showed her to her sister. Strangely, the others are being a bit more tolerant towards Trinny today...
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeOct 14th, 2011 6:57pm (Oct 14th 2011)
     
    Oh CC, I am so saddened for you. You did every thing you could for her and as you rightly said she knew she was loved and cherished. I am thinking of you with much love xxxxx:heartbounce:
    • CommentAuthorleevaux
    • CommentTimeOct 14th, 2011 10:12pm (Oct 14th 2011) edited
     
    CC I am so very sorry that Susannah has left you, very sad.She is now with all of our girls that have passed away having a great time!!!!!!!!!!!! take care Thinking of you.

    :face-smile:
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      CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeOct 15th, 2011 7:53am (Oct 15th 2011)
     
    Oh no, CC...that is just so very sad. I was so hoping she would get better.:face-crying:

    I lost one of the Black Australorp babies, that I raised this Summer, today..she had just started laying eggs a couple days ago, but became egg bound and I didn't catch it in time, she too died in my arms. It hasn't been a good day here at all.:face-sad:
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeOct 15th, 2011 4:55pm (Oct 15th 2011)
     
    So sorry to hear about your little hen Lynn, It is often hard to tell when hens are poorly as they tend to go about their day as if nothing has happened or hide themselves away so as to not make a fuss. It has been a hard year for all of us with so many sad things happening. I am thinking of you with much love xxxx:heartbounce:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeOct 15th, 2011 7:30pm (Oct 15th 2011)
     
    CC and Lynn, very sorry to hear about your losses :heart: :bighug:
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      CommentAuthorBellmactom
    • CommentTimeOct 15th, 2011 9:02pm (Oct 15th 2011)
     
    CC & Lynn, my thoughts are with you both, your girls definitely passed knowing they were loved and cared for :heartbounce:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 16th, 2011 11:22pm (Oct 16th 2011)
     
    CC and Lynn, I am so sorry you have both lost much loved hens. I hope Trinny will be OK without her sister CC. :heart:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 17th, 2011 5:44pm (Oct 17th 2011)
     
    I'm worried sick because the other three are freezing her out. I had to nudge Lemon up the bum with my foot last night as he was standing in the henhouse doorway stopping her from going in.
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      CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeOct 17th, 2011 7:23pm (Oct 17th 2011)
     
    CC, are you going to get another sister for Trinny?
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 17th, 2011 10:33pm (Oct 17th 2011)
     
    I hope they thaw to her soon and let her join in. Are they just being snobby?
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 18th, 2011 5:14pm (Oct 18th 2011)
     
    I don't know. It'd just be another chicken to pick on her, perhaps...
    • CommentAuthorTrevs Mum
    • CommentTimeOct 18th, 2011 11:40pm (Oct 18th 2011)
     
    Oh CC and Lynn what a sad day. Love and hugs to you both:043:
    You are both such good 'mums'.
    CC you have had a rough time of it lately.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeOct 19th, 2011 10:08am (Oct 19th 2011)
     
    Sorry to hear that CC. Surely she'll be integrated into the flock eventually?
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 19th, 2011 5:09pm (Oct 19th 2011)
     
    I do hope so. Still very much NOT at the mo though...:(
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeOct 19th, 2011 7:59pm (Oct 19th 2011)
     
    You could try the old garlic trick CC so they all smell the same. I did it with my newbies and they all got on together very quickly if you remember.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 20th, 2011 5:41pm (Oct 20th 2011)
     
    Refresh my memory, NN; do you feed it to them somehow?
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeOct 20th, 2011 7:51pm (Oct 20th 2011)
     
    I gave them all some real strong garlic sausage as a treat just before they went to bed, then about half an hour after they went to bed I rubbed some crushed garlic round their necks. Rubbed some round the newbies as well and then put them inbetween the regular hens on the perches. I didn't let them out quite as early as normal so they were so pleased to get out that they didn't really take much notice of who was who !!!! Sorted !!!!!

    I don't know if it will help CC but anything is worth a try.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 20th, 2011 8:36pm (Oct 20th 2011)
     
    Ta, Nn - I'll give it a go!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 20th, 2011 10:45pm (Oct 20th 2011)
     
    Let us know how it goes CC!
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      CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeOct 21st, 2011 1:22am (Oct 21st 2011)
     
    Yes, CC..let us know how it works out, I do hope they will accept little Trinny very soon.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 21st, 2011 5:45pm (Oct 21st 2011)
     
    She seems to be edging a little closer to them...unless it's wishful thinking!
    • CommentAuthorleevaux
    • CommentTimeOct 21st, 2011 6:49pm (Oct 21st 2011)
     
    I hope so CC i am on the edge of my seat with worry !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 24th, 2011 7:29pm (Oct 24th 2011)
     
    Well, the henhouse smells like Paris, and although the Three are still a tight clique, Trinny is edging ever closer. Fingers crossed!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 24th, 2011 10:48pm (Oct 24th 2011)
     
    Maybe she doesn't want to sit with them if they smell like that now! :ack2:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 25th, 2011 4:50pm (Oct 25th 2011)
     
    She smells like it too!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeOct 25th, 2011 11:07pm (Oct 25th 2011)
     
    Garlic chickens - people will think you're breeding them as a ready-prepared delicacy! (Don't tell them I said that!!!) :face-devil-grin:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 26th, 2011 4:03pm (Oct 26th 2011)
     
    Well, what with Sinead being bald it already looks as though I've got oven-ready free range hens...! :gasp:
    • CommentAuthorTrevs Mum
    • CommentTimeOct 27th, 2011 9:19am (Oct 27th 2011)
     
    oh CC:face-smile::gasp:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 27th, 2011 5:19pm (Oct 27th 2011)
     
    My friend Lynn's coming tomorrow to look at Sinead to visually measure her up for winter jackets.
    Lynn makes wedding dresses.
    I'm looking forward to seeing Sinead in ivory duchesse satin with hand-sewn bugle beads and perhaps some marabou feathers...:rolling:
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      CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeOct 29th, 2011 5:39am (Oct 29th 2011) edited
     
    I have one big white hen that I'm going to have to get some clothes for too, CC. She is in a hard molt right now and the weather has turned pretty cold here at night. I don't really see her in satin and lace however, maybe some nice sweatshirt material.:lol:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 29th, 2011 7:02pm (Oct 29th 2011)
     
    Well, Lynn turned up with her old cat blanket! Still, blanket coats are all the go, apparently...!
    Trinny flew over the wall today:gasp:; Eric and next-door herded her back in again. Anyone know how to clip wings, or is it best left to a vet?
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      CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeOct 29th, 2011 9:00pm (Oct 29th 2011)
     
    CC, I'd let the vet do it and you can watch and learn how to do it the right way. My big girls are all too fat to fly and the Silkies don't have the kind of flight feathers needed, so I don't have to worry about it any more. My little macaw Poe doesn't like to fly, he just throws himself off the top on his cage and walks where ever he thinks he needs to go.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeOct 30th, 2011 4:00pm (Oct 30th 2011)
     
    I think she frightened herself; she's firmly on the ground today!
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeOct 31st, 2011 6:51pm (Oct 31st 2011)
     
    How is it all going CC ? I hope the hens are getting on a bit better now. If you need a jumper for Sinead just say as I got a few made up. I don't know how long they would take to reach the states if you wanted one as well Lynn.
    • CommentAuthorTrevs Mum
    • CommentTimeNov 1st, 2011 11:11am (Nov 1st 2011)
     
    Oh Lynn love the description of your little Poe, I forgot all about him. I love birdies.

    CC I think the marabou with satin and lace would be just gorg. Bugle beads are just delightful, especially purple ones. :face-smile:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeNov 1st, 2011 4:25pm (Nov 1st 2011)
     
    She's getting beige cat blanky! :D Ta, NN, but she's only a little bantam and the big girls' frocks don't fit; Lynn made her one coat which swamped her, even though we consulted your pattern and sized it down!
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      CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd, 2011 7:18pm (Nov 2nd 2011)
     
    Posted By: nanny northI don't know how long they would take to reach the states if you wanted one as well Lynn.


    It takes a long time for things to get over here, NN..I'm working on a sweatshirt for her now, but thank you for the kindly offer. ((((big hugs))) You're a sweetheart!
    • CommentAuthornanny north
    • CommentTimeNov 4th, 2011 7:13pm (Nov 4th 2011) edited
     
    Glad you are managing Ok Lynn and CC. Most of mine are having a sensible moult only getting rid of old feathers when the new ones are ready. I got two with no tails at the moment though and they are just so em-bare-assed.......(:face-devil-grin:whoops spelling mistake)
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeNov 5th, 2011 5:35pm (Nov 5th 2011)
     
    :rolling: You naughty girl! :rolling:
    News from my back garden: Trinny is edging ever closer and is about a couple of feet away from the others now. She nearly got a pigeon today too - apparently she OWNS the garden. Sinead looks as though she might be growing some feathers - little white quills are appearing. Either that or she's turning into a hedgehog.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeNov 6th, 2011 11:44pm (Nov 6th 2011)
     
    What would she have done to the pigeon CC?! Told it grey was last year's colour and she needs to learn to colour block?!!!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeNov 7th, 2011 4:55pm (Nov 7th 2011)
     
    I don't know what she was intending to do to it;l I think she realises she's at the bottom of the pecking order and saw an opportunity to take it out on someone else! S**t rolls downhill, as the management types in ties say...:D
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeNov 7th, 2011 11:43pm (Nov 7th 2011)
     
    :rofl:
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      CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeNov 8th, 2011 7:17pm (Nov 8th 2011)
     
    CC, over here the expression is just for Plumbers.."The only 2 things they know is: S**t rolls down hill and payday is Friday"
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeNov 8th, 2011 7:21pm (Nov 8th 2011)
     
    :rolling:

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