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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2008 3:37pm (Jan 5th 2008) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Okay, so we recently got an email from someone who had contacted Hellmann's mayonnaise to ask why they use caged eggs in their recipes. Hellmann's reply was that using free-range eggs in their recipe would cost too much, and people aren't prepared to pay more money as not a high enough percentage of consumers care about chickens or their quality of life.

    They were wondering if we could think of any petitions, surveys, campaigns etc. that show the public view on this, proving to Hellmann's that consumers do care about animal welfare issues and are prepared to pay more. I sent them the link to the RSPCA's peitition, and CIWF's petition, but then i got stuck.

    Thoughts? Examples, websites, your view...anything?
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2008 3:56pm (Jan 5th 2008)
     
    From conversations I've had a work this week I'm afraid the first reaction was the same as Hellmanns - "who cares, they're only birds", and "I'm on a budget, I need cheap meat and eggs". The majority seem to think of their pocket before welfare.

    Saying that, a colleague is a very keen cook and is adamant that cheap eggs, i.e. from battery hens, are thinner in consistency, tasteless, and spoil a recipe. She will only buy free range eggs for their taste and quality. I wonder if any of the well-known chefs agree with this, such as Jamie Oliver? He's getting involved in the cheap chicken campaign so has he thought about this angle too? Personally I hate cooking and only own one cook book so am not sure if its something recommended by chefs?
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2008 4:03pm (Jan 5th 2008)
     
    What about boycotting Hellman's and emailing 'em to let 'em know? Hit their wallet and focus their mind... You'd need to find out which of the supermarket mayonnaises they make and boycott those too. I don't care, I'm a salad cream pleb! :)
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2008 4:04pm (Jan 5th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Damn, that's not very good then...

    They're trying to collect proof to show that people are prepared to pay more, but it doesn't look like they'll be getting much... :P
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2008 4:08pm (Jan 5th 2008)
     
    PETA? Anglican Society for the Welfare of Animals?
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2008 4:09pm (Jan 5th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Good thinking Batman! (sorry... :o )

    Thanks :)
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2008 4:22pm (Jan 5th 2008)
     
    I hate mayonnaise too, and salad cream for that matter. I know its radical, but perhaps Hellmanns could reduce their profits a bit rather than increase the price!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2008 4:32pm (Jan 5th 2008)
     
    Now now, don't be silly! :\ How would they afford their huge cars and extortionate salaries then? Really, Kate, you are SO selfish sometimes...:)
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2008 4:38pm (Jan 5th 2008)
     
    Sorry CC, I'll come back to the real world one day!
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      CommentAuthorLuke
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2008 7:32pm (Jan 5th 2008)
     
    I bought some 'Scottish Pancakes' from the Co-op because they had the vegetarian symbol on the front, just out of intrest I read the ingredients and it clearly states 'Eggs (from caged hens)'. They put that symbol on anything now. What can I do :(
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      CommentAuthorneil
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2008 8:41pm (Jan 5th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I wouldn't feel too bad Luke. I think it's slowly evolving. For example, a few years ago nobody could care less about organic or food-miles or whether what you were eating had a good life or had been treat ethically or not.

    I think (hope) it will continue to improve, and the consumer will continue to get better informed (and make better informed purchases) in the future.

    Having said that, I had to traipse round two shops on boxing day before I found non-battery hens, and the "better for you" sandwich I nearly bought from Sainsburys was made from caged hens, so I had to spend another 35p for a free-range version. If it isn't made as easy possible, then most consumers will probably just buy whatever is easiest/cheapest.

    Luke I suppose you could write to the Co-op and gently suggest that as they are one of the most ethical high-street shops then they should really start to end the sale of battery-eggs (and products with them in).

    I also sent a letter to hellmanns (in 2006!), and they replied with probably exactly the same reply - namely that their customers valued price over welfare, and also that there weren't enough free-range eggs to supply them with?! Surely if hellmann's went free-range then that would force more free-range producers!

    I read in a farming suplement once that many farmers wanted to convert to free-range as they were seen as much more "high value" to consumers, and demand for intensively farmed products was declining.

    As always, vote with your purse! (or wallet, etc).
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2008 8:46pm (Jan 5th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    The Co-op promised some animal welfare organisation - it might have been the BHWT - that they were going to caged-eggs free in the summer...this was years ago :-\
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2008 9:06pm (Jan 5th 2008)
     
    I have shamed someone into buying free-range eggs once, by picking up the nasty eggs from the same bit that she'd just taken them from, then exclaiming loudly 'Ugh! These are from BATTERY hens - yuk!!' and putting them back, taking from the free-range ones instead. She went a bit pink, and then did the same. I AM turning into Margaret Rutherford - hurrah!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2008 9:51pm (Jan 5th 2008)
     
    CC - that's great. The guerilla theater approach. Everyone can take shifts standing next to the egg bins. :)
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      CommentAuthorLuke
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2008 10:22pm (Jan 5th 2008)
     
    I'd be too nervous to do that, I might get whacked with a handbag or something! :P
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2008 10:29pm (Jan 5th 2008)
     
    Course you wouldn't, Luke; at no time did I bellow "WHY ARE YOU BUYING THOSE, YOU CHICKEN-HATING KNUCKLE-DRAGGER????" in her face. I just pricked her conscience! :)
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 5th, 2008 11:28pm (Jan 5th 2008)
     
    Diane said yesterday how much she laughed catching up on all the posts that had accumulated and I'm sitting here doing the same thing. I have visions of us wandering around the local supermarkets in shifts, Luke being chased by old ladies and Wazza arresting them (or us for hassling them!)

    I must admit that before hencam I didn't really think about it much. I'd half-heartedly try to buy free-range, but if I couldn't then I'd take whatever I considered to me 'next best'. Didn't realise barn were almost as bad as caged until Neil enlightened us a while ago. Anyway, I go without now if I can't get what I want.

    Neil is right about attitudes changing, albeit slowly. In the cupboard at work most of the tea/coffee is fair trade which is wasn't 12 months ago. The colleague who buys cheap chicken because she's on a budget buys fair trade stuff - I asked if people in other countries were more important than the treatment of animals and she wisely made her excuses and went back to her desk without answering!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 6th, 2008 1:20am (Jan 6th 2008) edited
     
    Oooo. Kate you are brave and radical in the work place. I bow to you. & yah, I agree that we can look at ourselves for proof that change is coming. I just came back from the local supermarket, where I spent almost 5 minutes reading all the details on the four brands of eggs that claimed to be organic, free range, etc... And I ended up buying one that wasn't the least expensive. None of that would have happened before Hencam. Sadly, no one came up and made the wrong choice while I stood there - so I didn't get a chance to *go all chief chicken* on them :(
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 6th, 2008 3:56pm (Jan 6th 2008)
     
    My nan used to call me contrary because I frequently take the opposing view even if its just to wind someone up! My mom called it stroppy. I was really annoyed with someone this week and my colleague said I should take a deep breath and consider what I was saying before opening my mouth (as I often don't when I'm wound up!) so I was a good girl and did as advised! I once told someone The Beatles were rubbish because he was spouting about how great they were and how rubbish other bands were. Just wanted to give him a taste of his own medicine (though I'm not a great fan of The Beatles - they're OK, that's about as enthusiastic as I get about them!)

    Might go loiter in the supermarket on Monday to see if I can do a Chief Chicken too!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 6th, 2008 5:03pm (Jan 6th 2008)
     
    ...so you took a deep breath, considered what you were saying before opening your mouth...and said it anyway! :)
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 6th, 2008 9:48pm (Jan 6th 2008)
     
    Yes, but I said it instead of spitting it out with venom. There's a subtle difference that means with one I keep my job, and with the other I get told off!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 6th, 2008 10:27pm (Jan 6th 2008)
     
    Ooo, I'm SO glad that I'm self employed - I wouldn't last a minute!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 7th, 2008 9:02am (Jan 7th 2008)
     
    I'm glad I'm not self-employed or I'd be divorced. You have to vent the venom at someone!!
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      CommentAuthorneil
    • CommentTimeJan 7th, 2008 2:10pm (Jan 7th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    The next t-shirts for sale from hencam will have "WHY ARE YOU BUYING THOSE, YOU CHICKEN-HATING KNUCKLE-DRAGGER????" on them....!!!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 7th, 2008 3:10pm (Jan 7th 2008)
     
    It'd have to be '...those battery-farmed eggs...' or you'd be flung out of every shop you went in to!
    I vent my spleen on the piano, Kate. Eric knows nothing about music BUT...he knows Rachmaninov means PMT or that someone somewhere got up my nose !
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 7th, 2008 6:29pm (Jan 7th 2008)
     
    That's a bit like venting at your family - I'm sure you consider your piano to be a family member! I'll buy one of those Neil!!

    There's a fair sized article in the Daily Mirror today (national tabloid for the americans amongst us!) about Jamie Oliver's (TV chef) campaign to get (amongst other things) supermarkets and manufacturers to be honest so that consumers have a choice. It said Hellmanns have agreed to label their produce as having battery eggs in, and slates the supermarkets for not attending a televised debate.

    I told my hubby tonight to stop ordering bloomin' barn eggs and get free range. "Are you going to stop buying cheap chicken then as well?" he said. "I already have" I replied, "that's why there's no curry tonight!" He tried to wind me up a bit about "only chickens" and "who cares", but I was cooking at the time with a knife in my hand so he agreed and said he doesn't mind really. (He also called me an animal activist. I was when I was at school and could be again in one of Neil's t-shirts!)
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 7th, 2008 6:54pm (Jan 7th 2008)
     
    Good point CC. I guess we aren't yet against ALL consumerism.

    Oooo. Calling Kate an animal activist - how horrible. :) I think your poor hubby needs a little time to re-group and upgrade his "debate" tool box.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 7th, 2008 7:01pm (Jan 7th 2008)
     
    No, I'll just continue to treat him as a human and give the animals the better treatment!! ;)
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 7th, 2008 7:03pm (Jan 7th 2008)
     
    LOL - poor boy :) Wait I want to try this smiley: :'(
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 7th, 2008 7:05pm (Jan 7th 2008)
     
    I like the smilies but can never remember them, and by the time I've found one to copy can't remember what I wanted to say!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 7th, 2008 7:14pm (Jan 7th 2008)
     
    Yes, Wazza is hoping there will be a list we can just click from soon. I've been using them too much - its like speaking! entirely! with exclamation! points! BUT no one has yelled at me about it and.... I can't .... STOP :P
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 7th, 2008 7:16pm (Jan 7th 2008)
     
    I use far too many exclamation marks. Its to try and stop people getting the wrong end of the stick when I write something, but everyone on here is fairly similar in their comments so don't get offended (thankfully!!) See, there I go again!
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      CommentAuthorLuke
    • CommentTimeJan 7th, 2008 7:17pm (Jan 7th 2008)
     
    I know, its really annoying when you want emphasis on a sentence and always result to an exclaimation mark, I do it all the time!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 7th, 2008 8:07pm (Jan 7th 2008)
     
    My bad habit is using ellipsis...but I like it!
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      CommentAuthorneil
    • CommentTimeJan 7th, 2008 8:39pm (Jan 7th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    It's the main reason why I haven't put a box of smileys on the forum - it usually ends up with every 3rd post consisting of 30 different animated smileys and starts to resemble a kid's chatroom... Unless everyone really *really* wants the box of smileys.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 7th, 2008 9:06pm (Jan 7th 2008)
     
    That's a good point - hadn't thought of that at all. Can we honestly say we'd limit ourselves to just one or two per post?!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 8th, 2008 4:45am (Jan 8th 2008)
     
    Oh that IS a good point. If we're gonna do it - we should have to work for it :D :D :D :D :D :D

    Ouch! :'( I think Neil just gave me a psychic slap on the back of the head.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 8th, 2008 4:47am (Jan 8th 2008)
     
    Awwww. Just saw Red's avatar with the sweet chicks; getting love & pets.
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      CommentAuthorneil
    • CommentTimeJan 8th, 2008 11:05am (Jan 8th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    rows of smileys and :drizzle:'s - it just causes me to shudder as it reminds me of when those idiots got in the chat and buggered it up... I don't mind smileys though honestly :)

    I'll look to see if there's an easy way of doing the smiley board.
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      CommentAuthorwazza
    • CommentTimeJan 8th, 2008 1:16pm (Jan 8th 2008)
     

    no longer a member

    we dont need loads and loads just a few well chosen and nice ones
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 8th, 2008 6:25pm (Jan 8th 2008)
     
    What are drizzles?
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 8th, 2008 8:19pm (Jan 8th 2008)
     
    Glad you asked that; I thought I was being my usual luddite self!
    • CommentAuthorhenrietta
    • CommentTimeJan 8th, 2008 10:06pm (Jan 8th 2008)
     
    Did anyone else watching Hugh's Chicken Run on channel 4 tonight notice that Hellmann's ran an advert? It really makes me angry, like it is sticking two fingers up at people that care about free-range chickens/eggs but don't think deeply enough to realise that it uses battery eggs. I've been a bit slack recently, buying shop bought sandwiches with mayo in that probably isn't free-range and not really thinking about it. But that advert has p-ed me off so much that it's M&S from now one (it only uses free-range eggs in all it's stuff, and it's mayo is really nice)
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      CommentAuthorneil
    • CommentTimeJan 8th, 2008 10:17pm (Jan 8th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I know what you mean Henrietta, it seems Hellmanns are basically relying on the fact that most people won't make the connection between battery eggs and their products, and so don't give a stuff as long as they're making money.

    And Diane, the drizzles thing was a rain cloud smiley that some of the yobs seemed to like pasting endlessly...
    • CommentAuthoroli in UK
    • CommentTimeJan 8th, 2008 10:43pm (Jan 8th 2008) edited
     
    Hi Henrietta, Don't think we have met..
    I didn't see the Hellman's advert, so reran the tape, still couldn't find it, unless it was at the end before the next prog.
    I can only think that it was a subliminal advert, my brain works too slowly to see these now.
    Glad the programme helped you in your decision making.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 4:07am (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    Hi Henrietta - Welcome, if you are new. Welcome, if you are not new. Great name. :)

    Oh - don't think I've seen that one Neil.
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 6:12am (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    Hi Henrietta..I love the name by the way. Welcome to the group. :)
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 9:13am (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    Hi Henrietta and welcome from me too!

    It could be that Henrietta lives in a different TV area - they each show their "own" adverts. Hellmanns are disgraceful. I'm glad I don't like mayonnaise!!
    • CommentAuthoroli in UK
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 10:24am (Jan 9th 2008) edited
     
    I had forgottenn about the diff areas having diff ads.. Thanks Kate.
    I don't use mayo or salad creams either.I have a large pot of plain set yogurt that I slap on salads, fruit or jacket potato, though don't like it on cereal especially meusli.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 6:39pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    I noticed today one of the papers said it was all well and good these posh chefs sticking up for the chickens, but what about the poor poultry workers - immigrants who paid a pittance and abused -and that its awful that we stick up for the birds instead of the humans (wonder if the journo is being paid by Hellmanns?!!!!!) Funny, I thought there were already laws in place to protect workers?
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 6:43pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    There are - if they're legal workers, but I bet a lot of them are cash-in-hand illegal immigrants. I love the way these journos are so black and white in their thinking; we are FOR the chickens, therefore we must be AGAINST the workers. Surely keeping chickens properly would need more workers, not fewer?
    • CommentAuthorhappyness
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 6:47pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    Hi just joined forum as I sent an email to Hellmans today and they have advised that from February 2008 they will be using Free range eggs in their mayo and from June 2008 all their mayonnaises will be made from free range eggs.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 6:49pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    Well done, Happyness; and welcome to the insanity that is Hencam!
    • CommentAuthorhappyness
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 6:51pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    Thank you, i guess we all have to thank Hugh F-W for Hellman's change of heart.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 6:53pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    Welcome happyness!! That is good news. They seem to have changed their minds quite quickly from when they told Red's friend they were sticking with cheap battery eggs. Have they bowed to pressure I wonder? Good result though - thanks for sharing that.
    • CommentAuthorhappyness
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 6:55pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    Here's hoping the Supermarkets follow suit!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 6:55pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    Goes to show what customer pressure can do - excellent. Or should that be eggcellent?
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 6:58pm (Jan 9th 2008) edited
     
    Welcome to the group Happyness! Way to go on the campaign to help the chickens. I wish there were something I could do to help too, but being in the USA, I don't think they want to hear from me.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 6:58pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    When I walk into Sainsbury's the first thing I see is cheap chicken. I'm wondering how long before the display is 'ethically friendly' instead. The marketing people must be working all hours to see how they can get a profit out of it, but if it does the job I'm all for it! (I'm sounding very cynical tonight - sorry!)
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 6:59pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    I wonder if its an issue in the US too?
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 7:01pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    Lynn, if you sign it then it's one more 'signature' for their petition. I sent the link to Headless in Florida, with that philosophy. I don't think they mind where the signatures are from.
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 7:07pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    The petition I looked at, wanted to know what village or town you lived in..I think they are only interested in what ya'll think over there.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 7:08pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    They're just wondering where they get most support. Just put Birmingham - there's one of those in the US so its not lying!!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 7:13pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    Or New York; the original one's here. Or Boston. And so on and so forth!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 7:14pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    Where ARE you in the states, Lynn?
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 7:14pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    I did live in Birmingham (Alabama)for a brief time as a child...ok..Ill give it a go:)
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 7:29pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    CC..I live in Washington state...that's just before you fall into the Pacific Ocean at the top of the map...Left Coast :D ..but I signed as living in Birmingham, UK.little white lie:)
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 7:51pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    oOOoo, the slippery slope to crime; Wazza'll be on your doorstep soon!
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 8:21pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    Well, if he wants to come 5000 odd miles, to show up on my doorstep he'll be as welcome as the flowers in May. :)..by the way..I just checked and Hellmans's is sold over here too..we could put pressure on them from both sides of the Atlantic...we could set PETA on them. :)
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 8:48pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    Definitely; I suggested PETA to Red as they're starting to get known more here and have some clout now. I think they can be a bit extreme, but that might put the frighteners on 'em! At least Hellman's have said they'll start to use free-range, so something must have clicked in their tiny brains!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 9:21pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    Hey Happyness - nice name. Welcome from me as well :)

    Thanks for doing the research Lynn - I was wondering if it was for sale here. Hey Brits - there's a Langley in the UK somewhere, right? (I still need to sign on to the petition.)
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 9:37pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    CC..PETA..yep..extreme...like Storm Troopers. About 30 years ago they took on a Mink farm here in Graham..they came in the night and turned the all the mink loose..it caused no end to problems for the people who lived around here. Dead Mink roadkill. Chickens and ducks killed by the few surviving Minks..some of the people in PETA don't think before they act.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 9:55pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    No, Diane, THE Langley (in Berkshire, so not quite as civilised as Buckinghamshire) is about ten miles from me! Are you near a Langley, then?
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 9:58pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    Yes, I am technically in Langley, Washington. Although the incorporated town of Langley is about 7 miles from me. Eerie. We both live a similar distance from Langley and like watching hens sleep... I also lived in Langley, British Columbia as a teenager.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 10:00pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    So your life is moving cyclically, then?!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 10:03pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    Seems to be. Its definitely never been anything like a straight line.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 10:06pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    Take it from one with curly hair; straight lines are boring!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 9th, 2008 11:26pm (Jan 9th 2008)
     
    You make my life sound boring - I've never lived any further than 25 miles from where I am now. :(

    Wasn't it PETA that threw paint or something all over the models that agreed not to wear fur - and then did. (Naomi Campbell?)
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 10th, 2008 1:57am (Jan 10th 2008)
     
    But Kate that means you've had an experience I can never have! I always wonder what that would have been like. Having roots from childhood on.

    LOL CC. My hair is straight in some places, curly in others (and no - not in an interesting or attractive way-but definitely in a wild and unpredictable; uncontrollable way.) New theory: our life journey is predetermined by our follicles.

    I had some friends who, in the 80s, broke into an office and threw blood all over some files. THAT turned into some jail time. I remember that thing with the models.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 10th, 2008 4:23pm (Jan 10th 2008)
     
    Kate, youre a globetrotter compared to me. Born in High Wycombe, got married and moved abroad to Marlow - 7 miles!!!
    I hated having curly hair - went through school with the soubriquet 'Bogbrush' - but now am quite grateful for the fact that I go to Glenn for topiary every 8 -10 weeks or so, wash it myself and drip-dry. Or if in a hurry, upside down in front of the fan heater. And as for the white streak I've had since the age of 11, Glenn pointed out that some women pay MONEY to acquire 'em!
    Our extremists are the Animal Liberation Front. Sympathy with their cause, but not always the methods...
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 10th, 2008 6:06pm (Jan 10th 2008)
     
    Did you not go away to Uni? I think I'm the only person I know (outside of the family) that doesn't have a degree. Makes me special!! ;)

    The ALF forced the closure of a guinea pig farm by stealing the body of the owner's mom from her grave.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 10th, 2008 7:02pm (Jan 10th 2008)
     
    I went to London to college and hated London so much that I opted to commute. Dreadful pubs, naff beer; I had to drink Guinness out of self-defence! Then when I did my BA and Masters, I did 'em at Reading, 14 miles away, as a mature (hah!) student. So that's me, so xenophobic I won't leave Bucks without injections! :)
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 10th, 2008 7:09pm (Jan 10th 2008)
     
    I hate travelling anywhere - if I have to go to a meeting from work I only attend if its in the B'ham area, and even then I don't like going!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 10th, 2008 7:21pm (Jan 10th 2008)
     
    There's a village just over the bridge called Bisham (pronounced Bissum, for those who care!) and when the M40 opened up to Birmingham, signs appeared to "B'ham".
    "Strange," I thought, "The motorway doesn't go down to Bisham..."
    Parochial or wot? :)
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 10th, 2008 7:42pm (Jan 10th 2008)
     
    OMG - its time for me to pull out my map of the UK again.

    My godson's aunt has a wild head of hair, to which I can indeed relate as topiary. LOL. She claims that her hair is and behaves as an entity in itself. Its own thoughts, feelings, life goals...
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 10th, 2008 8:39pm (Jan 10th 2008)
     
    You can get a t-shirt with 'Sometimes My Hair Scares Me' on it. I'd like one, but they don't make 'em for big ol' birds like me. :(
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      CommentAuthorwazza
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 5:28am (Jan 11th 2008)
     

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    some useless information for you.... from The m25 to Birmingham on the M40 its 100 Miles.

    The new Motorway service area for the m40 is currently under construction, it is at Junction 2 Beaconsfield (Pronounced Beckonsfield)
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 5:43am (Jan 11th 2008)
     
    M25 M40 - what does the M stand for? Motor?
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 5:44am (Jan 11th 2008)
     
    Thats a great t-shirt :D :D :D
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 3:19pm (Jan 11th 2008)
     
    M40 = motorway. But the numbers don't bear much relation to the order in which they were built. It used to be that numbers beginning 4 (as in M4/M40)
    went westward, 3 south, 1 north. But I don't know if that's still the case.
    Wazza will tell us!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 5:25pm (Jan 11th 2008)
     
    Ah. That's interesting. Well, to me - I like learning that kind of thing. We have freeways and highways here. The roads where you can go fast without interruption (prior to the era of traffic jams.) And when they cross over state boundaries they are called interstate highways, which then gets shortened to *I* and whatever the number of it is. Like the one going south from Washington through Oregon and California is I-5.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 5:49pm (Jan 11th 2008)
     
    We have motorways, then A roads and B roads and unclassified. To appreciate the difference you really need to drive a 30 year old Morris Minor;
    A roads are often dual carriageways, and everyone whips past you, B roads are twisty and often bumpy, and if your Morrris isn't convertible, you may suffer a contusion to the head from bouncing. Unclassifieds are bumpy, twisty, potholed and if you aren't driving a convertible Morris, a crash helmet is advised to minimise the brain damage.
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      CommentAuthorLuke
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 6:50pm (Jan 11th 2008) edited
     
    lol...we've gone off topic again!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 7:00pm (Jan 11th 2008)
     
    So what's the difference between a freeway and a highway?

    OK, back on topic - my colleague (who's sister thinks there are too many chickens in the world etc) says she will only be buying free range chicken in future. She doesn't like eggs, but if she buys any they will be too. Another success for Hugh FW!!
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 9:38pm (Jan 11th 2008)
     
    Kate...A *freeway *is an *Interstate*, with no traffic lights and usually crosses state lines..(one end of the state to the other and into another state). A Highway is just within the state limits and does have lots of stop lights.

    Now, we all have to learn *Bi-lingual English* :D... what we need now is a Canadian to add to the mix, Eh? :)

    Is there such a thing as a thread where we have actually stayed *on topic*? :D
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 9:45pm (Jan 11th 2008)
     
    I doubt it - its more fun jumping around, but does make it hard to find what's going on. I often look at the title of a thread and wonder how we got around to talking about something totally different. What would it be like if we were all sat in one room talking to each other!!! :O
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 11:38pm (Jan 11th 2008)
     
    It'd be exactly like this; a gently meandering conversation!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 12th, 2008 4:33am (Jan 12th 2008)
     
    Ok - finally decided to just look it up: LOL

    A freeway — also known as a highway, superhighway, autoroute, autobahn, autopista, autovía, autostrada, dual carriageway, expressway, or motorway — is a type of road designed for safer high-speed operation of motor vehicles through the elimination of at-grade intersections. Such highways are usually divided with at least two lanes in each direction. There are generally no traffic lights or stop signs.
    The word "freeway" first surfaced in the mid-1930s in proposals for the improvement of the New York City parkway network. It is currently in regular use in the United States, as well as parts of Australia. In the United States the term "freeway" is frequently used in the western part of the country. Other terms are predominant in other regions, such as "interstate" in the South (and particularly in Florida) and "highway", "expressway", or "turnpike" in the Northeast and Midwest.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 12th, 2008 4:36am (Jan 12th 2008)
     
    That's great (and wow, fast) about your colleague Kate!

    And, I like that idea that we are meandering as we would if all together in one room. I can see why Wazza is get a bit steamed about it though. His job means he can't always come on several times a day. It must truly be a pain to keep up. :(

    Well - as this thread is called "Price" - I'll just say, I bet all those roadways cost A LOT. :D
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      CommentAuthorwazza
    • CommentTimeJan 12th, 2008 5:34am (Jan 12th 2008)
     

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    M = Motorway
    A = main road
    B = minor road
    C = unclassified road

    M25 = Motorway 25 (London Orbital road) It has 2 directions, Clockwise, and Anticlockwise. Motorways are normally a straight line (Ish) and generally have an Aand a B carraigeway????? A = away from major city and B = towards a major city ie london. so the M4 motorway out of london is the A carraigeway... Does this make sence?

    But the m25 being a circle is different, it has Clockwise, Anticlockwise, A and B also North, south east and west depending on where you are now thats confusing.... NOT wait til you discover how we know what slip road you are on where 2 motorways merge.... we use the compass where you have come from first then where you are going to second (If that makes sence) The E N slip road means ... you have come from the E and heading N.. End of story... No wonder we all get lost