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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 10th, 2008 8:08pm (Jan 10th 2008)
     
    Ok - I'm sure we will all hijack this one as well. BUT my intent is to have a place to do a quick check in when something is going on in one of our lives.

    In this case: How is Joey? And how is Rachael?
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 10th, 2008 9:10pm (Jan 10th 2008)
     
    Joey is now officially 'starving' prior to his op. Fed him some smelly cat food (he usually has dry stuff) just gone 8pm and that's his last meal. Got to take him to the vets at 8.45am tomorrow - won't get much done at work as will be fretting about my baby boy!

    Rachael is the same as ever - waiting!! Nothing's changed in the past 24hrs, no pains, no 'leaks', nothing. Ho hum, just keep hanging around .........

    How's The Long Suffering Eric's cold doing CC?
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 10th, 2008 10:24pm (Jan 10th 2008)
     
    Ho, we're ALL suffering...! No, bless 'im, he took my ma shopping and to the hairdresser's today so's I could have a Christmas lunch (yes, I know, but I was hellish busy before Crimbo) with my friend and our piano teacher. I offered to cancel, but he fortified himself with a Lemsip and braved it. He wasn't strong enough to face taking her to lunch, though...there's only so much a man with a snotty cold can stand!
    No need to put the kettle on and tear up the sheets yet, then?!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 10th, 2008 11:25pm (Jan 10th 2008)
     
    No, went to visit a friend who had her baby in November and gave him a bottle (of milk CC, nothing else!) He burped, farted, dribbled and sneezed on me, but it was good practice!
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      CommentAuthorwazza
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 5:33am (Jan 11th 2008)
     

    no longer a member

    Diane which thread is there, that has Not been Hijacked and sent into orbit all mucked up????

    Wazza is just checking in to remind you all I am still alive but busy at work... but still slide in to check to see if you still miss me from time to time
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 5:40am (Jan 11th 2008)
     
    Hey there Wazza - glad you checked in! Its a worry - the bad traffic accidents that you've been having to deal with lately.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 5:37pm (Jan 11th 2008)
     
    Thinking about you today Joey and sending you lots of healing energy.

    And Eric? How's that cold today? Surely it must be fading away now?
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 5:52pm (Jan 11th 2008)
     
    He's going shooting tonight and to the pub afterwards, so I think that although the patient is whingeing somewhat, we can call it a recovery!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 7:09pm (Jan 11th 2008)
     
    What's he shooting? A few chavs?! (You didn't see that Wazza!) Everytime I see something on the news about our motorways I find myself looking for Wazza now!

    Joey is home and looking very sorry for himself. He usually sits in front of the screen but is snubbing me tonight - not that I blame him! Both legs shaved (one for bloods, one for the drip), and his neck is shaved and the 2 to 3 inch wound stapled. (Can you believe they charged £8 for the disposable stapler!!! Could've brought them one from work if they'd asked!!) £325 all in (but he's worth it).

    OK, diagnosis - none. The vet said his jugular vein runs through the outer edge of the lump so it can't be removed safely. She took a biopsy and said the core of the mass looked different to the rest. This could be a) the remains of an abscess that's 'gone funny' (my words not hers) and the centre bit the remains of the pus, or b) a tumour with the centre 'bit' being necrotised (dead) cells as the blood supply is good to the outside of a mass but not the centre. Have to wait 7-10 days for the results.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 7:10pm (Jan 11th 2008)
     
    Also, Rachael thinks she might be in labour (but she's thought that every day!) She's having pains that are quite strong and 15 mins apart. She's going for a bath in a bit to see if it gets it moving!
    • CommentAuthoroli in UK
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 8:06pm (Jan 11th 2008)
     
    Woo Hoo, This is more exciting since the cam ride!

    Sending lots and lots of labour vibes. Just don't rush off to the hossy until you are very, very sure. You girls who've done it know just what I mean.....
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 9:25pm (Jan 11th 2008)
     
    I was lucky - my waters went both times so I was in no doubt. Is there a 'rule of thumb' for how far apart or how strong they should be? Or is it just one of those "she'll know" things?
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 9:52pm (Jan 11th 2008)
     
    At 5 minutes apart..head for the hospital, Kate..my water didn't break till just before my daughter's little head showed up... She showed up about 10 minutes before the doctor did.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 11th, 2008 11:43pm (Jan 11th 2008)
     
    We both shoot paper targets with .22 rifles; I won't even shoot at the paper pictures of animals, although the Rifle Club did buy me a Richard Clayderman calendar one year, and I was allowed to shoot one a month. But I don't count RC as a sentient being.
    Re sproggo; I'm going to put the kettle on and tear up some sheets just in case...
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 12th, 2008 4:44am (Jan 12th 2008)
     
    Glad Joey is home. And still has enough spirit to accuse you :)

    It sounds like the baby is making her way here soon! I got excited when I saw that Ollie is now feeling that way!! I'm going with the midwife's instincts.

    Glad Eric is among the living again.

    Good to hear from Gloria in The Girls. I always wonder when she's gone for awhile...
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      CommentAuthorwazza
    • CommentTimeJan 12th, 2008 5:27am (Jan 12th 2008)
     

    no longer a member

    I often ponder about when I am working what everyone else is actually doing??????

    So how are your days filled?
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeJan 12th, 2008 5:33am (Jan 12th 2008)
     
    My days are filled with farm chores, housework and taking care of my 85yr old mother, Wazza...today for extra added fun I got new shoes put on the horses..they both acted up and tried to sit on me while I was holding them..they weigh 1100 pound each..I weigh 105 pounds..guess who won the fight...and to add to the fun it was raining like mad. Next time they get new shoes, Don will be home and he can fight them..he retired today...I wish I could. :(
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      CommentAuthorwazza
    • CommentTimeJan 12th, 2008 5:35am (Jan 12th 2008)
     

    no longer a member

    Lynn good morning Honey.... its 0534 and I am all dressed in uniform waiting to go to work... hey you got any photo's of your horse?
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeJan 12th, 2008 5:42am (Jan 12th 2008)
     
    I've got some pictures of the horses somewhere, Wazza..I'll see if I can find them. I hope you have a good day at work and nothing too terrible happens.
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeJan 12th, 2008 5:55am (Jan 12th 2008)
     
    This is
    El Dorado..still looking for a picture of Alberta Oro.
    ElDorado-5-29-05.jpg
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeJan 12th, 2008 6:00am (Jan 12th 2008)
     
    This is one of them together ..they are half brother and sister, born a month apart.
    birdy_eldo1.jpg
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 12th, 2008 7:31am (Jan 12th 2008)
     
    Oooo Palaminos, yes? (Not spelled correctly apparently...) They are gorgeous! Lynn - you weigh 105 lbs?? How do you handle all the things you do? Plus construction work previously. Now I get it about why they used you for the small space work though. :P

    Congrats to Don!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 12th, 2008 3:13pm (Jan 12th 2008)
     
    I spend my days tuning pianos, playing the piano for kids taking exams, playing the piano for choirs. Sundays; organ-playing. Other than that, reading, watching telly. And making tea for wandering policemen.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 12th, 2008 3:22pm (Jan 12th 2008)
     
    Baby didn't arrive - its all stopped again. I said not to have her tomorrow as its the 13th, and that'd mean she'd have occasional birthdays on Fri 13th. (I hoped it'd be reverse psychology and inspire some movement from the little tyke!)

    Beautiful horses Lynn! Hope Don enjoys his retirement - any plans to keep him busy? Do you ever hit a wrong note CC?

    I work for the NHS in Public Health doing 'statto' things during the day, evenings and weekends are in ice rinks, cleaning the house or watching TV. Bought a jigsaw today to replace the knitting urge!

    Joey update - he's doing great! We've gone almost 24hrs and he hasn't attacked either of the other 2. Emmy even allowed him to lie next to her today, and asked for the door to be opened on his behalf (he's not allowed out til the staples are removed).
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 12th, 2008 3:31pm (Jan 12th 2008)
     
    If I didn't hit wrong notes, I'd be touring the world showing Ashkenazy what's what. But I do, so I'm not...and that's how I like it!
    Are you giving Joey treats? Mine get sardines in tomato sauce for an occasional treat, and they love it! Hope he continues his good recovery.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 12th, 2008 3:38pm (Jan 12th 2008)
     
    He got wet cat food yesterday - a treat when you're used to dry! - and some treats called Sweethearts. He loves them and almost bites your fingers off!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 12th, 2008 4:52pm (Jan 12th 2008)
     
    Oh Joey. That's fantastic news. :) And Emmy remains a sweetie, as calico's will.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 12th, 2008 8:22pm (Jan 12th 2008)
     
    The vet told me torties (he didn't call her a calico!) are the cat equivalent of a red-head. Hot tempered and can turn in a second, lash out, passionate and affectionate. Wonder if he'd had a red-head girlfriend at some time?!

    Still nowt on the baby front. It must be far too comfortable in there!
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeJan 12th, 2008 9:33pm (Jan 12th 2008)
     
    I'm so glad to hear your Joey made it thru the operation alright, Kate. I hope the lab work comes back OK too.

    Do you know yet what the sex of the baby is going to be?
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 12th, 2008 11:06pm (Jan 12th 2008) edited
     
    Here's the poop on calico's (in the USA at least):

    First off, what is a calico cat? A calico cat is not a breed of cat, it is a color pattern. To be called "calico", three colors must be present: black, white and orange. Variations of these colors include gray, cream and ginger. A "true" calico cat has large blocks of these three colors, a "tortoise shell" or "tortie" cat has a mix of these three colors (blended/swirled together more than distinct blocks of color).

    Why are they nearly always female? The answer is in genetics.
    Coat color in cats is a sex-linked trait. Female animals have two X chromosomes (XX), males have one X chromosome and one Y chromosome (XY). The genetic coding for displaying black or orange color is found on the X chromosome. The coding for white is a completely separate gene.
    Since females have two X chromosomes, they are able to "display" two colors (orange and black, or variations thereof) and white; creating the 3-color calico mix. Since males can only be orange OR black. While it is more complicated than simply having the color genes; this that is the basis for coat color in calico cats.

    Can a calico cat ever be male? Yes, in rare instances, if the cat has two X chromosomes and one Y chromosome (XXY). Cats with this chromosomal configuration are usually sterile (not able to breed).

    Interesting calico cat fact: on October 1, 2001, the calico cat became the official cat of the state of Maryland in the United States.

    Janet Tobiassen Crosby, DVM (I paraphrased her - off a website)

    I think your vet was being sexist Kate :) And yet it is the males who are unable to do anything complex. And EMMY is the State Cat of Maryland. We must now all refer to her as: Your Meowness. (I'm not actually sure what the honorific is for the State Cat - but I'm guessing that CC will know.)
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      CommentAuthorwazza
    • CommentTimeJan 13th, 2008 5:23am (Jan 13th 2008)
     

    no longer a member

    What superb looking horses, they look great, thanks for sharing those pics, you must be proud of them Lynn
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 13th, 2008 6:45am (Jan 13th 2008)
     
    The baby is going to be a girl (or should that be is a girl?)!

    Emmett acts as though she's regal actually, though I do have some very unflattering photos of her on her back play fighting!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 13th, 2008 1:47pm (Jan 13th 2008)
     
    All torties are aristocratic, arrogant and regal. That's why I wanted a tortie, as they seem to be so much more characterful (is there such a term?) than other cats. Trouble, our last one who died aged 19, could wither anyone with a glass. A brat came to visit and Trouble took refuge on top of the shed. The kid was hopping about shouting for her to come down, and I'm truly surprised that the look she gave him didn't cause him to burst into flames immediately. My friend summed her up succinctly: "She's a moo."
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 13th, 2008 2:45pm (Jan 13th 2008)
     
    She sounds just like Emmy - lets hope evolution doesn't give them that skill! (Though I could see a use for it ...!)
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 13th, 2008 6:09pm (Jan 13th 2008)
     
    I have a theory that as soon as cats work out how to open a tin, then Eric and I will be out on our collective ear...
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 14th, 2008 7:10pm (Jan 14th 2008)
     
    I think cats like to have a human around so's they've always got a slave to hand incase they need one.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 14th, 2008 7:29pm (Jan 14th 2008)
     
    Yup, don't think they will ever decide to off us. There's always the litter box to deal with...
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 14th, 2008 7:55pm (Jan 14th 2008)
     
    Not with free range cats, there isn't. Mind you, there'd be nobody to stand/lie on when their feet and belly are cold and wet...I speak as one with pawprints over bedclothes and on trouserlegs.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 14th, 2008 8:16pm (Jan 14th 2008)
     
    Very true. Or to scare the bejesus out of by staring into space as if there's a ghost.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 14th, 2008 8:20pm (Jan 14th 2008)
     
    ...no, BECAUSE there's a ghost!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 14th, 2008 8:22pm (Jan 14th 2008) edited
     
    :angry::bigsmile::confused::cool::cry::devil::neutral::sad::shamed::shocked::smile::surprised::tongue::wink: Can't think why Neil thought we might go mad if he let us have smileys, can you?:wink:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 14th, 2008 8:22pm (Jan 14th 2008)
     
    O, they haven't come out...
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 14th, 2008 8:23pm (Jan 14th 2008)
     
    Yes they have. ???
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      CommentAuthorneil
    • CommentTimeJan 14th, 2008 8:27pm (Jan 14th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    :fierce: BLEEUUUUGH!!!!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 14th, 2008 8:29pm (Jan 14th 2008)
     
    O how rude! Here, why isn't that one on the list??!
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      CommentAuthorneil
    • CommentTimeJan 14th, 2008 8:31pm (Jan 14th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    It is... click on the vanillacons to open up the list, then select "tongue" from the drop-down select list thingy.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 14th, 2008 8:40pm (Jan 14th 2008)
     
    Hey Neil. I was wondering how we were going to have a way to organize the greater number of threads we're getting.

    I'm wondering - are you able to turn "The Girls" into a general (vs chat) category item? I think most of us like to have it right at the top when we come in here...
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 14th, 2008 8:44pm (Jan 14th 2008)
     
    Ok everyone - I just want to say, in my defense that PART of the reason that I have ONE QUARTER of the posts on here is that when Neil first developed the forum I was the only one who left the chat for the forum FOR WEEKS. Hence, I spent a lot of time talking to myself; trying to ramp up energy for this new thing on Hencam.

    Now before one of you jumps in to mention that ALL of the 'gift of gab' awards in our stats list go to Americans. Well, all I can say to that is ... :shamed:
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      CommentAuthorneil
    • CommentTimeJan 14th, 2008 8:54pm (Jan 14th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I quite like how your apology at the number of posts actually increased your post count... :D

    And you are a founding member of the hencam forum - you've nothing to be sorry for - keep those posts coming!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 14th, 2008 9:00pm (Jan 14th 2008) edited
     
    I like the google map idea - this is what I get when I go there so far. Is Firefox not a fit?

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      CommentAuthorneil
    • CommentTimeJan 14th, 2008 9:06pm (Jan 14th 2008) edited
     

    Keeper of the hens

    It should be ok now. Had some "fun" with the settings...

    You can add yourself to the map now :) Although I'm afraid to get to the US you have to zoom out pretty far so when you drag across it moves further - didn't realise you guys were that far away! Mind you, when you've added your location we should hopefully just be a click away :)

    Only way I could get is to put "Hencam Chat" above "General"... is that ok with everyone?
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 15th, 2008 9:30pm (Jan 15th 2008)
     
    I thought I'd post "Joey" news here as Diane had suggested this thread for updates on things that are going on in our lives.

    I'm afraid the news about Joey is not good. The vet phoned me this morning to say the lump is a sarcoma. As it is located around the jugular vein it is impossible to remove it. There is no further treatment, so all we can do is try to keep him happy and comfortable. She said we may be lucky and it might be slow-growing - however it went from pea to cherry tomato size in 2 or 3 months so I don't think we'll have long. I haven't asked any questions like how long, will it spread, will he be in pain, how will we know when its time to let him go. I was in too much shock - I'd allowed myself to believe it was just an abscess. We have a vet visit on Monday 21st so I need to list all my questions so that I can try and do my best for him.

    He looks so sad - do you think he knows he's ill and how serious it is, or is he just sore from the op? I wish I'd taken him when it was pea size. :cry: :sad: :cry:
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 15th, 2008 9:33pm (Jan 15th 2008) edited
     
    O God, I am so sorry Kate. But he has had a happy life with you and you've made him comfortable all his life and loved him. Just look after him and treasure every moment. You don't need this sorrow in the middle of your joy, do you? But don't reproach yourself; when it was pea-sized it would probably have been too small for them to test/see properly.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 15th, 2008 9:47pm (Jan 15th 2008)
     
    Thanks CC. I'll probably find a few things to beat myself up about - I think its human nature to think "what if ..."

    Life is full of peaks and troughs - I just didn't expect them to be so close together. I spent all day Monday talking to colleagues about my grandbaby joy, and today crying about my poor cat. A colleague friend happened to be walking past just as I hung up from the vet and said "great news, how's the baby" and I burst into tears and cried on her shoulder for 5 minutes, only managing to sob "my cat's got cancer". She was great and just hugged me til I stopped.

    I'm so sorry to post such a sad one after such a happy few days.
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      CommentAuthorneil
    • CommentTimeJan 15th, 2008 10:30pm (Jan 15th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    Aww so sorry to hear about Joey. Positive thoughts and lots of love going your way...
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 16th, 2008 5:39am (Jan 16th 2008)
     
    Oh Kate. I was just thinking and hoping about him today. Now I'm crying too. Sweet little boy.

    I think, from your stories, that he has lived his life deeply. He has certainly had a mountain of love. Maybe he does feel sad. This IS sad. I'm guessing he is also very tired from that surgery and not used to being a tired kitty. This may sound silly, but I've found that it kind of helps to talk to a sick animal about the things that worry us - like feeling upset that you don't really know what he's feeling. All the other things you might tell him if you both spoke the same language.

    Its so true that we go to worrying about what we should have done or not done at times like this, isn't it? This wish to go back into the past and try some different way. I love what CC said about treasuring him, where he is - in the present. And YOU are being treasured too, by all of us. That big warm on-going Hencam hug. Do you still have my email address? PLEASE email me anytime about anything. I'm there for you.
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeJan 16th, 2008 5:46am (Jan 16th 2008)
     
    Oh no Kate, I sure was hoping for better news about Joey. I'm just so sorry to hear this news. (((((big hugs for Kate))))) I wish there were something that could be done for him. :sad:
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJan 16th, 2008 2:17pm (Jan 16th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I'm sorry to hear about the bad news, Kate. You did all you could, and at least Joey has had a good life and been well-loved *sending hugs* :heart:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 16th, 2008 11:23pm (Jan 16th 2008) edited
     
    Thanks everyone. Your good wishes and kind words help me immensly, which seems strange when we've never actually met, but everyone's an animal lover so seems to understand more than the average person.

    It seems to be getting even worse and more complicated. I told the vet yesterday that it looked a bit swollen and he seemed stiff, and she said it was probably from the op as she'd had to cut through the muscles. This morning it looked really swollen - like a little egg under the wound. So I phoned the vets and took him this evening, and he said he could have some infection there or an abscess forming, and that his temperature was high enough to indicate that he could be developing scepticaemia. He gave him a strong antibiotic injection and if he's no better by Fri he's got to go back again as it could need lancing.

    He's obviously in some discomfort as he can't lie still, and his third eyelids keep coming across which usually indicates he's poorly. Fingers crossed that the antibiotics will start working soon.
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      CommentAuthorRed
    • CommentTimeJan 17th, 2008 4:42pm (Jan 17th 2008)
     

    Keeper of the hens

    I hope the antibiotics start working, Kate, and Joey isn't in pain and doesn't need another trip to the vets on Friday. Poor Joey :(
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 17th, 2008 5:00pm (Jan 17th 2008)
     
    I'll be sending thoughts out to him tonight - and you.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 17th, 2008 9:02pm (Jan 17th 2008)
     
    When I got home it was worse again, and one of the staples was pulled so tight it'd started bleeding. So I phoned the vet, booked him in for tomorrow, and sat down to eat my tea. Before the first mouthful the vet phoned and said come now. So I did. (Still haven't eaten!) He stuck a scalple blade into the abscess and LOADS of horrible goo came out. I mean TONS! Good job I'm not tickle stomached. (Well, I am usually, but it didn't bother me at all strangely!) He looks like an extra from a particularly violent vampire film now. I'm bathing it regularly and hopefully he should start to feel a little better tomorrow. He hates me at the mo but I know it was worth it. I feel better for having done something!
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 17th, 2008 9:17pm (Jan 17th 2008)
     
    Bless him; he'll be feeling sore, but sooooooooo much better with all that muck out of it. Open a tin of tuna!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 18th, 2008 5:50am (Jan 18th 2008)
     
    Horaay for that vet! He sounds loads better than the midwife... Good to hear Joey has some good old fighting energy too.
    • CommentAuthorLynnW
    • CommentTimeJan 18th, 2008 8:24am (Jan 18th 2008)
     
    Poor Joey, but at least the vet got the abscess drained and he should feel a little better. I'm glad you have the kind of Vet that wants you to bring them right in when something goes wrong.
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      CommentAuthorwazza
    • CommentTimeJan 18th, 2008 8:27am (Jan 18th 2008)
     

    no longer a member

    Morning Lynn......

    How is Joe today Kate ?
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 18th, 2008 10:41am (Jan 18th 2008) edited
     
    He seems much better in himself today - he ran away from my husband when he got home from work (the hubby, not Joe!) which he hasn't done all week and is considered the norm, and plagued me till he got his breakfast so I'm hoping he's turned a corner. When I see the vet on Monday I'll ask all the difficult questions about his future, but for now I feel much happier about him and hope he's in less pain and discomfort.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 18th, 2008 4:03pm (Jan 18th 2008)
     
    Unhappy cats don't eat; sounds as though he's feeling a lot better - excellent news!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 18th, 2008 8:22pm (Jan 18th 2008)
     
    He seems much happier this evening - obviously not 100% but an improvement. Looks like he's got a little patch of raw skin by his wound (and new 'drainage' wound) but I'm sure that'll be OK until he sees the vet again. Wondered about putting something on it, but thought it might be better left to the air.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 18th, 2008 8:32pm (Jan 18th 2008)
     
    You could put a drop of Rescue Remedy in his food...good stuff; if it does no good, it'll do no harm.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 18th, 2008 9:40pm (Jan 18th 2008)
     
    I might look into natural remedies once I've talked to the vet about his prognosis - I'm sure there'll be a book about it somewhere. Cats are odd creatures and the simplest things can poison them, whereas they can drink scummy pond water and be healthy as anything!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 19th, 2008 1:52am (Jan 19th 2008)
     
    Rescue Remedy! Yes, everyone should have it in their cupboard. Its one of those things that can't hurt you (or cats) and often really helps. Its great to give about 20 min prior to a vet visit. Very calming. Wouldn't be a bad idea to swallow a few drops of it yourself.

    Kate - I my favorite book by far was this one: "Dr Pticairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs & Cats." I really think this book gave Winnie at least a year longer of quality life. Maybe much more. Its about $18.00 US. I got it through Amazon.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 19th, 2008 2:52pm (Jan 19th 2008)
     
    ...and if you get it through Amazon, the girls get .000000002 of a penny!
    That is a seriously good book, my vegan purist friend uses it! The Rescue Remedy won't hurt Joey at all; a few drops in water, then mix it with his drinking water or straight into his mouth. I take it before any performances, and it helps. It's for nerves, stress, worry...almost anything upsetting. Except an overdraft.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 19th, 2008 5:42pm (Jan 19th 2008)
     
    Thanks CC for the recommendation and Diane too, I'll look for that book. I don't take any medication if I can help it so have never really paid any attention to herbal remedies but if it can help Joey its worth a try. (Where do I get it?)
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 19th, 2008 7:22pm (Jan 19th 2008)
     
    Boots sell it now; drops (for adding to food/drink or directly into gob) or cream or spray for hurties!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 19th, 2008 11:09pm (Jan 19th 2008)
     
    Great - I'll call in on Monday and see if I can get some.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 19th, 2008 11:17pm (Jan 19th 2008)
     
    The best thing, for me, in the Pitcairn book is the homeopathic remedies. The dietary stuff seems right but is really hard to do - at least with my picky kitties. But homeopathy is amazing and, when it doesn't work, completely harmless (unlike regular medication which typically has some kind of side effect...) Look at whatever "Boots" is, if you think of it, so you will know if they have this there as well - should you want to try it later. What to take (homeopathically) and the dosage are both important, and this book does a great job with that.

    Rescue Remedy is one of the Bach Flower Remedies - different from homeopathy but in the same genre as a non-toxic health assist.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 20th, 2008 2:19pm (Jan 20th 2008)
     
    Boots is THE chemist...not A chemists, THE chemists! Your English studies are diversifying!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 20th, 2008 3:54pm (Jan 20th 2008)
     
    My Sis-in-law is a manager at Boots - not my local one though or I could get a discount!
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 20th, 2008 8:58pm (Jan 20th 2008)
     
    Wot? Boots = a drug store chain (or pharmacy)? Is that it? Do you have health food stores there? That's where I get the things we are talking about here. Specialty stores that sell organic food, books like this one, homeopathy and other alternatives to medicine.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 20th, 2008 9:02pm (Jan 20th 2008)
     
    Boots is THE chemists where you buy pills, potions, bandages, slap (that's make-up to you), sarnies (sandwiches),hot water bottles, suncream...yes, it's a pharmacy, although the pharmacy is only the dispensing chemists bit of it. But although they're mainstream chemists, they still sell homoeopathic and alternative remedies in a small-scale way.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 20th, 2008 9:05pm (Jan 20th 2008)
     
    So - like Bartell's Drug Store, Safeway's Pharmacy, Linds ... Boots is the name of the company?
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 20th, 2008 9:07pm (Jan 20th 2008)
     
    Ho yes. Now you're copping on! We'll make an Englishwoman of you yet. How's the cockernee cahmin' on, guvnor?
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 20th, 2008 9:10pm (Jan 20th 2008)
     
    I haven't ordered Mary Poppins yet - so... naught gud.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 20th, 2008 9:12pm (Jan 20th 2008)
     
    Tch. More homework for you...still, the sooner you fall behind the longer you'll have to catch up.

    ?:confused:
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 21st, 2008 9:00pm (Jan 21st 2008)
     
    Joey update:

    Vet didn't take his staples out - wants to leave them til Friday. As it took 3 of us to get him in the cat carrier, I dread to think how many it'll take on Friday when he's lots better!! He couldn't tell me much about the cancer. Lab said the cells are dividing quite quickly, and its not a neat capsule but has 'bits' sticking out all over the place. I suppose its like the difference between a falling blob of paint and a paint splat. The vet said they could possibly operate again, but still wouldn't be able to get it all (image of Fagin rubbing his hands together again). I turned him down - have to know when enough's enough. All we can do is keep him happy until its time.

    The good news is he seems really well at the moment - bit sleepy, but 90% back to normal.
    • CommentAuthoroli in UK
    • CommentTimeJan 21st, 2008 9:38pm (Jan 21st 2008)
     
    Try wrapping Joey in a very warm big towel to make him a better size to get into the cat carrier. Give him a few practices first. He could grow to like it so much. Wrap towel round a hotwater bottle while he is with vet so towel is warm again for return trip.
    I found this worked with a cat I had who needed frequent vet visits.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 21st, 2008 9:46pm (Jan 21st 2008)
     
    What a brilliant idea! I might use that one for rabbits, too.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 22nd, 2008 5:49am (Jan 22nd 2008)
     
    Yes, that's a really great idea. I know they actually make a bag with a zipper that, once inside, only the cat's head sticks out. Once the cat is wrapped that way, it completely relaxes. So I can see how adding the warm of the towel could feel quite heavenly for Joey. Unless his illness is making him feel like avoiding heat. Which happens for some cats.
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 22nd, 2008 7:05pm (Jan 22nd 2008)
     
    Great idea, but the opening on the carrier is very small (obviously NOT a cat owner that invented it) and at some point I'll probably buy a different design. He's happy to get in it to come home, but going there he knows what its all about. The zipper bag sounds good - he loves climbing in bags. I think they leave a certain scent (fear?) on those sort of things though and so know just what's going on.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 22nd, 2008 8:24pm (Jan 22nd 2008)
     
    I transported Winnie, via airplane, from Spokane, Washington to Davis, California. She had no prior fear of the carrier. Then we settled in and didn't use it for two years. But, all those years later - I open the closet where it is located on a high shelf, while talking to my friend Jenny and with Winnie twirling around our legs. Suddenly, Winnie starts edging away toward the exit door and I am simultaneously edging after her - suddenly we both break into a full out run and I'm chasing that little Calico all over the house. Jenny, meanwhile, is standing by the closet with her mouth open.

    It amazed me that Winnie would remember that thing so well, after one experience and just by glimpsing a corner of it. And that, upon remembering it - she could predict the future. These little fuzzy headed beings are much smarter than lots of folks think...
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 23rd, 2008 12:27am (Jan 23rd 2008)
     
    I take dog treats in my toolbag, and gave one to a big Rottweiler at one call. Five years later, I went back to tune again, and he didn't bark at me, even though I was in a different car, and could hardly wait for me to be let into the house so he could get his treat. The owner was astounded...and just a little bit miffed!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 23rd, 2008 7:10pm (Jan 23rd 2008)
     
    I had a trial size pack of my cat's now favourite treats from the cat show one year, and it had about a dozen little sweethearts in it. It took me 18 months to find a stockist of them, but as soon as Joey saw the packet he was clammering for them. Perhaps its because they don't bother their brains with all the useless rubbish we do.
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      CommentAuthorDianeonWhidbey
    • CommentTimeJan 23rd, 2008 11:31pm (Jan 23rd 2008)
     
    LOL - that's a really good point Kate. :D
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 24th, 2008 5:23pm (Jan 24th 2008)
     
    Watch those cat treats; they're highly addictive! Apparently it's trhe caramel in them. Gingerbits grabs great pawsful when offered the box!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 24th, 2008 8:26pm (Jan 24th 2008)
     
    Really! Joey will try and eat your fingers too. He's never been that way with anything else.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 24th, 2008 8:28pm (Jan 24th 2008)
     
    Bits goes and stares at Eric (who sits in The Seat Of Power by the gribblies, as we call 'em) until Eric caves in and dishes 'em out...I wonder if our local vet's surgery has an addiction clinic?
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 24th, 2008 8:31pm (Jan 24th 2008)
     
    Joey doesn't demand them, but tries to knock the packet out of your hand to get more. (We limit him to 10 a day). As his days are limited, should we be more generous? I've got 3 packets and the other 2 don't like them.

    (Sorry, have to keep a sense of humour over these things). I'll happily go buy a box if he wants them.
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      CommentAuthorchief chicken
    • CommentTimeJan 24th, 2008 8:43pm (Jan 24th 2008)
     
    Can't do him any harm now, can it, bless 'im? Go on - fill yer boots, Joey!
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      CommentAuthorKateb
    • CommentTimeJan 24th, 2008 8:45pm (Jan 24th 2008)
     
    Good point. Positive attitude and happiness might help him survive longer!